I figured out why this comp locks up [Archive]

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 04:27 AM

Turns out its not the ram. It's my computer overheating. That 128MB ram that I thought went bad didnt. I put it in now and it seems to be working for now. Its when my Processor temp gets to 114 F then it usually locks up the computer around there. Is there a sufficient way to fix this problem? My comp usually works better at night since I let the cool air come in. I have 2 fans on my Cheiftec case, and that #1 for overclocking heat sink. I have tried taking off a case and having a regular fan on high blow into the case, but it still got up to 114F and locked up once or twice.

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 04:31 AM

What is your room temp? Maybe you need to turn on the AC. :P :wink:

Dangerous Dan

10-06-2002, 04:34 AM

my bro's new comp is ovewr heating all the time, my friend said the silicon needs to be "worked in" or something (not used to the tempature). i guess i'll just have to wait and see :? .

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 04:35 AM

I dont know bout this room. Its a tall room and if i rememebr heat rises doesnt it? youd think it be hotter higher up. Anyways it does get hot here sometimes during the day. And the AC is on the otherside of the room plus I dont wanna waste money turning it on. Is there any way I can fix this?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 04:39 AM

Maybe it's a Trojan. :P Seriously mine's running fine at 128.

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 04:41 AM

Dude if it's hot in your room, blowing hot air on a heatsink is not doing anything. you need a temp differential to do any good. The only thing I know to do is maybe turn the voltage down a little on your core, or get bigger case fans. I cut a hole in the side of my case and put a 4" fan blowing directly onto my CPU hsf and I put another 4" fan on the top of my case sucking air out.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 04:42 AM

[quote:277aaf51c8="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]Maybe it's a Trojan. :P Seriously mine's running fine at 128.[/quote:277aaf51c8]

I dont think so or else I would have found it through my numerous scans with my up to date virus scanner.

128? Is that the PROCESSOR temp? Cause mine says processor temp 114F system like 90-100.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 04:44 AM

[quote:344277412b="OUTLAWS The Machine"]Dude if it's hot in your room, blowing hot air on a heatsink is not doing anything. you need a temp differential to do any good. The only thing I know to do is maybe turn the voltage down a little on your core, or get bigger case fans. I cut a hole in the side of my case and put a 4" fan blowing directly onto my CPU hsf and I put another 4" fan on the top of my case sucking air out.[/quote:344277412b]

Hmm... I can try again to take off the case and bring that fan so it can blow on the heatsink.

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 04:47 AM

114F does not seem very hot. Your video card could be the one getting too hot. Does your video card heat sink feel hot? Are you overclocking anything?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 04:54 AM

[quote:7ed41ea671="OUTLAWS The Machine"]114F does not seem very hot. Your video card could be the one getting too hot. Does your video card heat sink feel hot? Are you overclocking anything?[/quote:7ed41ea671]

No overclocking. I felt my vid card (although not the heatsink) and it didnt feel hot. I messaged Nob and he said if I could check ratings for my heatsink with my motherboard or something to that affect.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 04:59 AM

[quote:90b13f7d08="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]Maybe it's a Trojan. :P [/quote:90b13f7d08]

:rofl: That was payback for your post saying our map was a trojan. Sorry I just couldn't pass up the chance to get you back.

But seriously, Machine is right. That's what I'd check.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:01 AM

[quote:410fd458d4="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"][quote:410fd458d4="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]Maybe it's a Trojan. :P [/quote:410fd458d4]

:rofl: That was payback for your post saying our map was a trojan. Sorry I just couldn't pass up the chance to get you back.

[/quote:410fd458d4]

Oh yeah I forgot bout that hehe :D

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 05:02 AM

What mobo, cpu , and hs do you have?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:03 AM

Mobo: MB VIA KT266A |6P3D 8KHA+ W/A EPOX

Heatsink: CPU FAN|HHC-001 PURE COPPER RTL (ask shogun for the website he gave it to me)

CPU: AMD XP 2100+

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 05:05 AM

What size fan on the heatsink?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:07 AM

Shit I dont know... I need the website! All I remember is that it said "#1 heatsink for overclocking" i knwo that doesnt help :D Ask shogun he uses the same one.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:07 AM

Hmm I do know that my heatsink can still move side to side somewhat.

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 05:08 AM

Is it blowing air ont your heat sink or pulling it away from it?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:08 AM

I put my hand over it to make sure, i could feel air coming out of it.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 05:09 AM

[quote:f00cd7d50f="OUTLAWS The Machine"]What size fan on the heatsink?[/quote:f00cd7d50f]

It's a 60mm.
http://www.coolermaster.com.hk/en/products/cooler/hhc-001.html

I tried it on mine to see if it would work better than the Thermatake 7+ and they worked about the same.

OUTLAWS The Machine

10-06-2002, 05:11 AM

That should do quite nicely.

Trun your damn AC on dude for a while. Get it nice and cool in there and see if it still locks up. we need to definitly determine it is heat related.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:16 AM

ook right now i have my screen door open so cold air is coming in. Ill go test out some games now.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:17 AM

Oh btw is there any program i can run in windows to monitor my temp?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 05:26 AM

Machine and I use SiSoft Sandra.
Here is the link http://www.3bsoftware.com/products/sandra.html

[img:5a3e2af11a]http://www.3bsoftware.com/products/images/sandra_screen_large.gif[/img:5a3e2af11a]

Nobody

10-06-2002, 05:32 AM

If you want to monitor temps for a while I recommend Motherboard Monitor. Also can monitor voltage and more.

http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

Nobody

10-06-2002, 05:33 AM

Nobody

10-06-2002, 05:36 AM

Sandra is a good tool to have I use it also but MBM5 lets you monitor constantly if you need to.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 05:42 AM

I've used MBM too. It works great. I just couldn't remember the name of it. I do remember it being FREE. You will have to help him with the temp monitor chip his mobo uses. I think it's a W83697HF or something simuliar.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 05:46 AM

Yes it is free but it has been awhile since i have used it also. I ran it alot when I first started overclocking my 1Ghz but even at 1.2 it was doing fine and eventually I didn't care anymore. My motherboard has a safety feature which most have now that will not allow it to boot up if the CPU fan is not working.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 06:33 AM

I downloaded that MBM 5 thing but it says all my fans are at 0 RPMS? In the bios it says that there at 7000 rpms or something around there. This is kinda confusing to read. Here's what it shows now.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 06:41 AM

It has been awhile since I used it. Did you pick the right MB chipset ? I can see one thing wrong for sure besides it not reading your temps correctly. The 3.3 volt is reading way low which is not good. You can rename the sensors once you figure out what they are. I think you have to change the sensors that the meters are looking at. I will download it and see if I can help.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 06:46 AM

I can't install it here. It is going to have to wait until I get home. If the 3.3 volt reading is correct then I would bet that is your problem. Check it with Sandra if you can or in your BIOS.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 06:49 AM

My voltages read the same way in Sandra. I've tried 2 new power supplies and they both read like that.

Somewhere in that program you have to tell it what sensor chip to use and which fan sensor is to be fan #1, #2, etc...

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 06:51 AM

Well I tried the other ones, automatic and boot and they didnt work so I guess thats right? I double check. I did notice in bios it said my Chassis Fan was at 0 RPM.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 06:54 AM

Yeah it is somewhere in the options for each sensor if I remember correctly. I wish I were at home so I could look. His board is supported if you lookk at the left side of the site under MB click epox and then look for you model in the list for the sensors to choose.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 06:54 AM

[quote:14a0b9518c="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]My voltages read the same way in Sandra. I've tried 2 new power supplies and they both read like that.

Somewhere in that program you have to tell it what sensor chip to use and which fan sensor is to be fan #1, #2, etc...[/quote:14a0b9518c]

Your 3.3 reads low like that ? How about in BIOS ?

Nobody

10-06-2002, 06:56 AM

[quote:c2e637073e="MR. SLiK"]Well I tried the other ones, automatic and boot and they didnt work so I guess thats right? I double check. I did notice in bios it said my Chassis Fan was at 0 RPM.[/quote:c2e637073e]

That is okay because your chasis fan is hooked up to the powersupply . For it to read the RPM it has to be connected to the MB and be the right type of fan. It should read your CPU fan if you choose the right sensor.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:00 AM

Ok I looked in CPU and BIOS info on SiSandra and heres what it displays

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:01 AM

Does the BIOS show your voltages ? It should show more voltage readings in Sandra somewhere also. I really whish I were at home . Maybe Shogun can find them.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:02 AM

im pretty sure it does but my comp loads so fast i wouldnt have a chance to get them all.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:04 AM

It's the Winbond # you are looking for.

About the voltages, Mine doesn't show in the bios either (We both have Epox mobos) See here are mine. I know it's weird but it works fine.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:05 AM

[quote:e812df12a6="MR. SLiK"]im pretty sure it does but my comp loads so fast i wouldnt have a chance to get them all.[/quote:e812df12a6]

No go into BIOS and look for an option called PC Health status or something similar. Most boards have something like that in the BIOS now.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:05 AM

Found it

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:06 AM

[quote:9bce99e6ad="Nobody"]Does the BIOS show your voltages ? It should show more voltage readings in Sandra somewhere also. I really whish I were at home . Maybe Shogun can find them.[/quote:9bce99e6ad]

Click on the Mainboard Information icon.

EDIT: You found it.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:08 AM

[quote:5baeb38789="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]It's the Winbond # you are looking for.

About the voltages, Mine doesn't show in the bios either (We both have Epox mobos) See here are mine. I know it's weird but it works fine.[/quote:5baeb38789]

Yeah that is wierd !!! The 3.3 volt is what determines power to ram and bus (like vid card etc.)

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:09 AM

So is mine voltage low aka need new power supply?

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:11 AM

[quote:b389673552="MR. SLiK"]So is mine voltage low aka need new power supply?[/quote:b389673552]

Don't know since Shogun's reads low also. If I had not seen his I would have said yes and to try a different powersupply. But Shogun said he tried a different one and it made no difference. :?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:12 AM

Argh and he is running an AMD 2200+ isnt he?

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:14 AM

[quote:c4cf33c575="MR. SLiK"]Argh and he is running an AMD 2200+ isnt he?[/quote:c4cf33c575]

I don't know. His core voltage is lower than yours which is the power to the CPU. What do you have Shogun ?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:14 AM

Chico's and mine both have a Turbolink 420w PSU (Power supply) in them. I've tried them both and they both read this way on both boards.

Slik should have the same PSU since we both ordered the same case.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:17 AM

[quote:88343a6d06="MR. SLiK"]Argh and he is running an AMD 2200+ isnt he?[/quote:88343a6d06]

Yes and that's the correct core voltage. It was a little higher (On the default) but I lowered it some to get it to 1.65v hoping it would run cooler. It didn't work.

Let me rephrase that: That's the correct core voltage for a 2200+.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:21 AM

i wonder what my problem is then :?:

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:26 AM

[quote:c02efcdd6f="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"][quote:c02efcdd6f="MR. SLiK"]Argh and he is running an AMD 2200+ isnt he?[/quote:c02efcdd6f]

Yes and that's the correct core voltage. It was a little higher (On the default) but I lowered it some to get it to 1.65v hoping it would run cooler. It didn't work.

Let me rephrase that: That's the correct core voltage for a 2200+.[/quote:c02efcdd6f]

Slik's is running 1.74 for a 2100+. I wonder what the actual requirments are for his. Do you have a chart Shogun are can find one on it ?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:28 AM

I've got a pdf file from AMD's website, but it will take a while to find it. Let me look, it's on my old machine.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:28 AM

Alright thanks

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:36 AM

Hmm I found a pdf file with the following (see picture)

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:41 AM

Damn your core voltage is way high :shock: . Try lowering it a bit. Don't go all the way down at once though in case your reading is off. Although it will usually just lock up and not boot if it is too low. Try 1.65 and see if it boots and runs ok. Then go down to 1.60 and try again. if you are lucky this might fix your problem.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:42 AM

Well, I was just about to post the same picture. :wink:

By looking at that chart, I'd say your core voltage is too high.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:44 AM

Anyways how do I change it?

EDIT: Oh i see I was looking at 3.3

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:44 AM

Lowering it that much will most likely drop your temps a little also.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:45 AM

[quote:2a250509a9="MR. SLiK"]Its too high? Its at 1.52? Anyways how do I change it?[/quote:2a250509a9]

1.52 ? It says 1.74 in Sandra and Motherboard Monitor. :?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:46 AM

[quote:156a583ab0="MR. SLiK"]Its too high? Its at 1.52? Anyways how do I change it?[/quote:156a583ab0]

In the picture you posted above it reads 1.74v, Where are you getting 1.52? In the bios?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:47 AM

How do I lower the core voltage?

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:47 AM

LOL !!! You sneaky SOB you edited your post on me :P . The core voltage setting is in the BIOS. Shogun should be able to tell you where exactly if you can't find it since he has the same board.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:48 AM

Yeah I was looking at the wrong one.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:49 AM

Let me go check in bios

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:49 AM

You know I am sending you a bill right ? :rolf:

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:52 AM

Ok I changed it to 1.65.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:53 AM

See what Sandra says it is at.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 07:54 AM

[quote:61980708f1="MR. SLiK"]How do I lower the core voltage?[/quote:61980708f1]

It's in the bios, Look for the Frequency/Voltage Control option. Where it says VCore, Yours might say Default, lower it to read what it should read in the pic. you posted for your proccessor. Then go to the PC Health Status screen in the bios to check it.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:54 AM

SiSandra says its at 1.65. In the bios thats the least I can go to. I can also up the voltage to 1.85.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:56 AM

You can't go any lower than 1.65 ? That is odd :?

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 07:56 AM

Nope

Nobody

10-06-2002, 07:58 AM

Well try it at 1.65 for now but you should be able to go lower. I have a feeling something else may be a little off in the BIOS which is making it only show you what it thinks you need.

How low does yours go Shogun ?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 08:00 AM

You might need to flash the bios, But I'm not even gonna try and tell you how to do that here. You can really screw the pooch doing that if you don't know what you are doing.

I would just try it at 1.65v for a while and see how it goes. What do you think Nob?

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 08:02 AM

[quote:e572945578="Nobody"]How low does yours go Shogun ?[/quote:e572945578]

Let me see.

Nobody

10-06-2002, 08:06 AM

[quote:3721f26b61="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]You might need to flash the bios, But I'm not even gonna try and tell you how to do that here. You can really screw the pooch doing that if you don't know what you are doing.

I would just try it at 1.65v for a while and see how it goes. What do you think Nob?[/quote:3721f26b61]

Just run it at 1.65 for a few days and see how it goes. If it works I wouldn't worry about it. Flashing the BIOS is a bit tricky unlees they have a nice one setup for your board. Mine has one that you can run from windows :D

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 08:06 AM

My mobo (EP-8K3AE) is a little different that his.
My core voltages range from 1.400v to 2.050v.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 08:08 AM

Alright Im gonna test it out

Nobody

10-06-2002, 08:09 AM

[quote:9c985f27ae="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"]My mobo (EP-8K3AE) is a little different that his.
My core voltages range from 1.400v to 2.050v.[/quote:9c985f27ae]

Yeah his range should be wider too even though the model is a little different. He either needs a flash or something is set to default which is only allowing it to show those settings and why it picked 1.75 for him.

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 08:13 AM

[quote:9c448894d2="MR. SLiK"]Alright Im gonna test it out[/quote:9c448894d2]

Yeah do that for a couple days and see what happens. Flashing a bios is really tricky if you have never done it before.
Time for me to hit the hay. Don't cha jus luv my suthern talk?

Nobody

10-06-2002, 08:16 AM

[quote:04cf1dd179="OUTLAWS SHOGUN"][quote:04cf1dd179="MR. SLiK"]Alright Im gonna test it out[/quote:04cf1dd179]

Yeah do that for a couple days and see what happens. Flashing a bios is really tricky if you have never done it before.
Time for me to hit the hay. Don't cha jus luv my suthern talk?[/quote:04cf1dd179]

You wuss :P

FUS1ON

10-06-2002, 08:24 AM

And Slik leaves without so much as even a thank you guys. Here it is 3:24am, and I've got better things to do, Like sleep you little turkey.

MR. SLiK

10-06-2002, 05:09 PM

Thanks guys. Sorry I was really tired as well and just immediately went to bad. Thanks again.

Nobody

10-07-2002, 12:48 AM

So is it working better ?

MR. SLiK

10-07-2002, 01:01 AM

Hasnt locked up yet since last night.

Nobody

10-07-2002, 01:13 AM

Sweet :D

Hope that solves your problem. I would still like to know why it set it so high and why you can't choose 1.60v but without having that board and bios it is hard for me to know where to look.