The hammer is dropping

[Dissectional]

Well, we knew it was coming sooner or later. Hide that folder when you're on KaZaa...

oh crud (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html)

[Nick]

phew...doesn't say anything about downloading programs....
snatched photoshop 7 yesterday !!! :oooo:
let the f******g artists make money by doing more LIVE SHOWS.
CD's cost a nickel apiece to produce....give us a t-shirt or something
damnit....I don't feel guilty in the slightest bit....
will slim down my shared folder though :angel:

[SIFI]

are they cracking downloaders or just users that make the files avalible?

[Mr Clean]

Originally posted by Dissectional@Jun 25 2003, 02:23 PM
Well, we knew it was coming sooner or later. Hide that folder when you're on KaZaa...

oh crud (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html)
That will be interesting, especially if they go after someone out of the country. There are privacy concerns here too, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the ACLU get involved on this one.

I don't think the music industry has thought this through too well. They are going to alienate people even more, and may come up against privacy laws in the process.

What a mess, that's for sure...

[FASTway]

I have no sympathy for out of touch rich record company executives.

[Scorch]

Screw them, they will never stop the wave. :devil:

[Mr Clean]

Does anyone find it odd that they would announce this before it started? Sounds like saber-rattling to me....

[Nick]

Goliath vs. a billion Davids.... :devil:

[OUTLAWS WHOCARES]

What most don't understand is that a recording artist makes pennies from each cd.
The money is made from touring.

Example:

On an average an album costs over 100 grand to make.
Once an album is put on the shelves the revenue is given back to the record company until it is paid off.
The producers take a chunk, the recording studio takes some, as many other people

1 album+ 100 points
On an average 70 to 80 points are allready spoken for.

The point is that the artist is not getting hurt that bad but the record companies
are the ones taking a beating

[<<Hybrid>>]

Kazaa is :down:

wake up, there&#39;s is alot of these progs greater than kazaa, where noone cares what are you sharing :angel:

lol but i knew that will happen some day, yeah bad news :unsure: , but not for me, i dont use it :rofl:

[Death Engineer]

I&#39;m not surprised, not am I worried. I&#39;m a Supreme Being (1000) on Kazaa and will continue to have my files available for download when I&#39;m not using the connection. I don&#39;t feel bad about the RIAA either. The artists (if they are educated) could care less whether people are trading their music. In fact, most of them love the idea. But the record execs tell them to come out against it or else.

Long and short of it is that they are barking up the wrong tree if they think they are going to get everyone to quit downloading mp3&#39;s and other "illegal" files just by threatening them.

[Dissectional]

Originally posted by <<Hybrid>>@Jun 25 2003, 06:40 PM
Kazaa is :down:

wake up, there&#39;s is alot of these progs greater than kazaa, where noone cares what are you sharing :angel:

lol but i knew that will happen some day, yeah bad news :unsure: , but not for me, i dont use it :rofl:
It&#39;s not just KaZaa. It said all popular peer to peer file sharing programs. So who knows? I agree with Clean...a bunch of saber rattling.

[<<Hybrid>>]

Originally posted by Dissectional+Jun 26 2003, 12:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dissectional @ Jun 26 2003, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--<<Hybrid>>@Jun 25 2003, 06:40 PM
Kazaa is :down:

wake up, there&#39;s is&nbsp; alot of these progs greater than kazaa, where noone cares what are you sharing :angel:

lol but i knew that will happen some day, yeah bad news :unsure: , but not for me, i dont use it :rofl:
It&#39;s not just KaZaa. It said all popular peer to peer file sharing programs. So who knows? I agree with Clean...a bunch of saber rattling. [/b][/quote]
Oh :shifty:

anyway people will invent some other programm for file sharing, what will be hidden from needless eyes :hmmm:

And i know that mass of GM members have hundreds of illegal music :P

[EXEcution]

i love listening to illegal music (sounds somuch better when its illegally downloaded) :P

[solid snake295]

ha, i dont care&#33; the majority (95%) of my shared folder is porn anyways&#33; :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[<<Hybrid>>]

Originally posted by solid snake295@Jun 26 2003, 01:43 AM
ha, i dont care&#33; the majority (95%) of my shared folder is porn anyways&#33; :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:blink: :rofl:

[SIFI]

Originally posted by solid snake295@Jun 25 2003, 09:43 PM
ha, i dont care&#33; the majority (95%) of my shared folder is porn anyways&#33; :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
and for snake thats 95% out of a total 95% lol j/k

[solid snake295]

lol, its true :bawling: :rofl:

[<<Hybrid>>]

i have only few Mp3&#39;s extracted from CDs :rolleyes: Hate porn :down:

[Snip3r]

And how do they expect to find the culprit, will they hire Ub3r 1337 H4xz0rz&#33;&#33;1&#33;&#33;&#33;1 pfft ya right. I would love for one of them to come ot my house and see that I have over 20 GB of &#092;/&#092;/&#092;&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092; /-&#092; rrr |2zzzz. I havent bought a game since UT2003 came out :P And I bet they are going to take people to court, haha, take a 9 year old to court for downloading Sesame Street songs :rofl:

[Elessar]

Theres trully, nothing to worry about here.
They can say theyre gonna sue the crap outta everyone all they want but
there are no laws in place stating file sharing is illegal

they are just trying to pull peoples bluff
it aint happening.

[OUTLAWS DirtGod]

Originally posted by solid snake295@Jun 25 2003, 08:43 PM
ha, i dont care&#33; the majority (95%) of my shared folder is porn anyways&#33; :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I have just clear my que of music and filled it with porn now...... :rofl: :rofl:

[Dissectional]

Originally posted by solid snake295@Jun 25 2003, 08:43 PM
ha, i dont care&#33; the majority (95%) of my shared folder is porn anyways&#33; :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You&#39;re going to have to give me your screen name or something. I figure between the two of us we could swap about 40 GB of that stuff :thumbs: :rofl:

[Elessar]

the key to high quality porn is.......Andrew Blake :cool:

[Death-Dude]

I think there are a lot of good points touched on by folks here:

-the ACLU, what rights do illegal DLers have?
-1 goliath, many many Davids
-RIAA taking wrong course

They are going after hundreds....meaning less than 1%, much less. They&#39;ve been going after &#39;big potatos&#39;, folks who used mostly university space to set up huge repositories of music and files for 24-hour consumption. They want to make some poster children to scare off whatever numbers they can scare off...the fine money is inconsequential for them. RIAA, resistance is futile - when you start whacking Kazaa users, another prog will emerge to serve that population. Take a lesson from Metallica, who&#39;s sales have plummetted since they started busting their fans. Radio was supposed to kill recorded music sales as well, Chicken Littles panicked all over the place. No, it ended up selling more records for them than ever before. Same with cassettes. Don&#39;t even try to stop it, harness it.
-Verizon eventually lost their right to withhold names case, I last heard it was being appealed, again. They&#39;ll eventually have to give folks up, I&#39;d think. Ashcroft can invoke National security, and then they can do what they want.
I have some DLed songs, but mostly stuff I already own on albums, tapes, and CDs. Other stuff has led me to go get new CDs, ones I probably wouldn&#39;t have otherwise. But then, I&#39;m not like many many users who circumvent buying new albums by DLing and burning the whole thing, and it has impacted the industry. It&#39;s true artists don&#39;t make a ton off each CD, but they do earn a very susbstantial amount of their money from sales, and sales deals made with companies, so that can&#39;t be disregarded either.
I think Sony&#39;s or Real&#39;s new program, can&#39;t remember which, is 99 cents per DL, and you get a high-qual version. If they drop that a bit, and make an album from one of my old hippie bands for like &#036;5, I&#39;ll take it. I thought the new service would bomb, but it sold over 2 million in around two weeks, so again I couldn&#39;t be more wrong. Would you guys DL songs, sampled at High-Q, like 300-400, instead of DLing a 128 version if it were like 50 cents or so? I would.

[Death-Dude]

Originally posted by Elessar@Jun 25 2003, 10:52 PM
Theres trully, nothing to worry about here.
They can say theyre gonna sue the crap outta everyone all they want but
there are no laws in place stating file sharing is illegal

they are just trying to pull peoples bluff
it aint happening.
There is actually a crime committed, enfringement of expressed copyright laws. And they have busted and handed down fines for a few folks already. Here&#39;s a scary thought, that people would start listening to Orrin Hatch - Distance Ed articles on the subject (http://distanceed.home.att.net/summary_of_u.htm)

[solid snake295]

if the internet was free, then i would pay for music.....maybe :P

[Nick]

Originally posted by solid snake295@Jun 26 2003, 07:14 PM
if the internet was free, then i would pay for music.....maybe :P
that&#39;s a good point &#33;
the music isn&#39;t free &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
the chances of beign pursued is less than winning
&#036;1 000 000 at the lottery&#33;&#33;

[Thundarr]

Originally posted by Snip3r@Jun 26 2003, 12:12 AM
And how do they expect to find the culprit, will they hire Ub3r 1337 H4xz0rz&#33;&#33;1&#33;&#33;&#33;1 pfft ya right. I would love for one of them to come ot my house and see that I have over 20 GB of &#092;/&#092;/&#092;&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092; /-&#092; rrr |2zzzz. I havent bought a game since UT2003 came out :P And I bet they are going to take people to court, haha, take a 9 year old to court for downloading Sesame Street songs :rofl:
Not only that, but what are the odds that the people they sue will actually have any money to collect anyhow??? I agree with Clean and Diss, just some saber rattling going on, unless they find some millionnaire who&#39;s got a big stash of tunes, etc... It&#39;ll cost a ton in legal fees for the Record Companies to sue and I just don&#39;t think they&#39;d really do it unless they knew they could get some &#036; out of the people they sued... :hmmm:

[Scorch]

Originally posted by Elessar@Jun 26 2003, 05:40 PM
the key to high quality porn is.......Andrew Blake :cool:
:blink: Don&#39;t tell me you see those stuff.. :blink:

[Death-Dude]

Originally posted by Thundarr+Jun 26 2003, 02:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thundarr @ Jun 26 2003, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snip3r@Jun 26 2003, 12:12 AM
And how do they expect to find the culprit, will they hire Ub3r 1337 H4xz0rz&#33;&#33;1&#33;&#33;&#33;1 pfft ya right. I would love for one of them to come ot my house and see that I have over 20 GB of &#092;/&#092;/&#092;&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092;/&#092; /-&#092; rrr |2zzzz. I havent bought a game since UT2003 came out :P And I bet they are going to take people to court, haha, take a 9 year old to court for downloading Sesame Street songs :rofl:
Not only that, but what are the odds that the people they sue will actually have any money to collect anyhow??? I agree with Clean and Diss, just some saber rattling going on, unless they find some millionnaire who&#39;s got a big stash of tunes, etc... It&#39;ll cost a ton in legal fees for the Record Companies to sue and I just don&#39;t think they&#39;d really do it unless they knew they could get some &#036; out of the people they sued... :hmmm: [/b][/quote]
They&#39;ve already done it, and have levied fines from &#036;5000 to &#036;17,500, I believe. They don&#39;t care how much it costs, they have plenty of money. Putting fear into people is worth much more to them.

[Snip3r]

Originally posted by Thundarr@Jun 26 2003, 03:45 PM
unless they find some millionnaire who&#39;s got a big stash of tunes, etc...
That sounds like Slice to me :D

[chaotic42]

I had a run in with this sort of thing back before these peer-to-peer clients were really popular. This is a cut and paste from a post of mine at Anandtech this morning (sorry, it&#39;s long and I don&#39;t feel like retyping it):



Ok, let me all tell you a little story.

The year is 1998. A 16-year old college freshman has his first high speed (10Mbit) connection to the internet at one of America&#39;s 10 most internet friendly schools (at the time anyway). The student also has a fresh new Debian install, and a copy of wu-ftpd.

The student begins to rip all of his CDs into MP3 format. It&#39;s convienent. The student also gets CDs from others, MP3s from others, and finally MP3s from various little FTPs at other colleges.

By early 1999 the MP3 collection is at a quite large 12GB. It&#39;s quite large for the time anyway. So what does the student do? Puts up an FTP server. Just 10 users. The music is free, he just asks that you upload something cool for his troubles. Many do. The student gets pre-release albums and some weird things he&#39;s never heard of before. Sometimes copies of programs or even the occasional porno movie out of nowhere.

The student&#39;s computer is pretty good, but has lots of hot components in it. It&#39;s fairly cramped up, and the hard drives are the oh-so-unreliable Maxtor brand.

The student leaves for a while and what happens? The computer heats up on an especially hot day. The hard drive fails, or atleast part of it. The MP3s are still intact, but the FTP configuration file is corrupt. Gone is the limitation of 10 users. In this period the new Lycos MP3 search picks up on the server. It&#39;s fast, has lots of content, and has no ratios.

So when the student comes back and the internet access is cut off, he is confused. He checks the logs. Eventually he finds out that 600-1200 people were connected/trying to connect to his FTP server.

Enter the dean. Apparently the student not only took down his dorm access, and not only campus, or city, or county, or regional access, but from the *entire* northern half of the state. Schools, businesses, residents, none of them could access the internet reliably for days.

Enter the FBI. So the student is threatened with confiscation of equipment, etc. Fourtunately this is before the RIAA was *too* angry about this stuff. The student appears before the network admin, dean, FBI, etc and appologizes. Luck comes into play and the whole thing is dropped. The student is only ordered not to run anymore servers of any kind. He got lucky.

So yes, running an MP3 FTP server can be dangerous. Trust me, I know from first hand experience&#33;

--

[Snip3r]

That must of sucked for you, I mean for the kid :(

[Mr Clean]

Originally posted by Death-Dude+Jun 26 2003, 12:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Death-Dude @ Jun 26 2003, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Elessar@Jun 25 2003, 10:52 PM
Theres trully, nothing to worry about here.
They can say theyre gonna sue the crap outta everyone all they want but
there are no laws in place stating file sharing is illegal

they are just trying to pull peoples bluff
it aint happening.
There is actually a crime committed, enfringement of expressed copyright laws. And they have busted and handed down fines for a few folks already. Here&#39;s a scary thought, that people would start listening to Orrin Hatch - Distance Ed articles on the subject (http://distanceed.home.att.net/summary_of_u.htm) [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s much more of a gray area than that. The only recent verdict to come down from a federal court said file swapping was NOT illegal. It is of course being appealed, but a ruling is, for now at least, a ruling.

As for the ACLU: The whole issue of privacy on the internet is still being settled. Was constitutes privacy on the net? How far can another person/organization go in colecting info on you and tracking where you are? Questions such as these are far from being settled, and you better believe the ACLU will stick their nose in where they feel it is warranted. What these record companies are doing could be, at some point, considered invasion of privacy...

Death, let me ask you this about something else: If you&#39;ve already paid for the "copyrighted" material, let&#39;s say in the form of an album, why should you have to pay for it again because it is on a different medium (like say a CD). Isn&#39;t that paying twice for the same copyrighted material? Isn&#39;t that gouging? Why pay &#036;5 to download high quality music files (which, by the way, the human ear can&#39;t tell the difference from 400 quality and 128 quality unless you have an excellent sound system) when you&#39;ve already bought the music???