Nobody, or someone else help me!

[MR. SLiK]

Its that time again, my computer is locking uo :mad: Its that stupid, dreaded temperature 113-114 (45 C) that it decides to lock up. This room is pretty hot, but the rest of the house is cold, funny huh? Anyways I opened the case and put a fan with ice behind it (i figured it would bring cooler air since its going through the fan, tell me if this is a bad idea) to help cool it down. I think it might be a power supply problem again? I know its not memory, i tested that. We trhink its not thte heat, since you and others run there system at over 50C. Its not my heatsink since (i think) Shogun is uisng the exact same one (coiolermaster I think the name is). My power supply is 400W. My CPU Core voltage is at 1.65V which is what solved most of the frequent lockups, but now it does them every now and then. My system specs:

AMD 2100+ at 1.74 ghz
EPOX EP-8KHA+ VIA Apollo KT266A (VT8366A) 200/266 MHz Motherboard
The heatsink: CPU FAN|HHC-001 PURE COPPER (AMD/INTEL)
1 GB of PC2100 DDR Ram
80gb 7200 WD Master drive
40gb 7200 Seagate Slave drive
Gf3 ti200 64 mb
Win XP Pro Service Pack 1

Voltage stats below

[MR. SLiK]

This computer (as noted by Win XP) has recovered from a "serious error" 2 or 3 times. This time lots of files in my temporary internet folder were truncated as well as some other things during scan disk

[Nobody]

That looks fine as for the voltages. Did you ever figure out how to get the cpu vlotage lower? I think your chip is speced at 1.60v.

[Fragetti]

Slik have you done anything to your system lately?
are you over clocking?
When does it seam to freeze up more? ingame etc.

Oh the ice bad idea.

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by Nobody@Feb 8 2003, 02:04 PM
That looks fine as for the voltages. Did you ever figure out how to get the cpu vlotage lower? I think your chip is speced at 1.60v.
Remember when we were changing it? The lowest i could go in the bios was 1.65

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Fragetti@Feb 8 2003, 02:05 PM
Slik have you done anything to your system lately?
are you over clocking?
When does it seam to freeze up more? ingame etc.
Nope. It usually froze in OpenGL games, but this time it froze in windows (my sister was using word and it froze twice) and during scan disk during boot.

[Nobody]

Originally posted by MR. SLiK+Feb 8 2003, 04:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MR. SLiK @ Feb 8 2003, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Nobody@Feb 8 2003, 02:04 PM
That looks fine as for the voltages. Did you ever figure out how to get the cpu vlotage lower? I think your chip is speced at 1.60v.
Remember when we were changing it? The lowest i could go in the bios was 1.65 [/b][/quote]
Yeah &#33;&#33; That is why I asked. It&#39;s odd that it won&#39;t let you pick the correct voltage. This is my voltage chart (300w)

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by Nobody+Feb 8 2003, 02:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nobody @ Feb 8 2003, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -MR. SLiK@Feb 8 2003, 04:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nobody@Feb 8 2003, 02:04 PM
That looks fine as for the voltages. Did you ever figure out how to get the cpu vlotage lower? I think your chip is speced at 1.60v.
Remember when we were changing it? The lowest i could go in the bios was 1.65
Yeah &#33;&#33; That is why I asked. It&#39;s odd that it won&#39;t let you pick the correct voltage. This is my voltage chart (300w) [/b][/quote]
would a 450 possily higher power supply fix this? Is there any way to override some how so i can change the voltage to 1.6

[Fragetti]

Originally posted by MR. SLiK@Feb 8 2003, 05:06 PM

Nope. It usually froze in OpenGL games, but this time it froze in windows (my sister was using word and it froze twice) and during scan disk during boot.
Am sure your using the most recent video driver?
If so roll it back and make sure it suports OpenGL

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Fragetti+Feb 8 2003, 02:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS Fragetti @ Feb 8 2003, 02:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--MR. SLiK@Feb 8 2003, 05:06 PM

Nope. It usually froze in OpenGL games, but this time it froze in windows (my sister was using word and it froze twice) and during scan disk during boot.
Am sure your using the most recent video driver?
If so roll it back and make sure it suports OpenGL [/b][/quote]
There latest and its not the video card. Already tried a while back with my old Gf2 and that locked up as well.

[Nobody]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Terminathare@Feb 8 2003, 04:11 PM
I don&#39;t know if I&#39;d blow cold moisture on your CPU. Water + Motherboard + Processor = :bandhead:
:thumbs: Forgot to answer that part :D

[MR. SLiK]

Yeah i know thats what i was afraid of but it seems ot be working, the air is much cooler than normal

[MR. SLiK]

it isnt that close either. maybe i should tak eit away...

[Nobody]

It could be a power supply issue. I have had faulty power supplies do strange things to a pc. I just like to try everything before suggesting you spend money on something that may not solve your problem. :D

[MR. SLiK]

ok i took the ice away

[FUS1ON]

First off, Thank you SLiK for posting your system info, That&#39;s the way it should be posted :thumbs:

Some more background info, This problem has plagued SLiK&#39;s computer since day one, Those voltages show to be out of range, But my similiar Epox shows the same voltages and runs fine. It could still be a power supply problem, But he doesn&#39;t have a spare one to try. When he was installing the HSF the very first time, It seems like I remember him sticking it on backwards. He&#39;s installed different Via 4 in 1 drivers and it still has the same problem. That&#39;s about all I can remember, So if anyone can help, Please do.

[Nobody]

Have you checked for bios updates ?

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by Nobody@Feb 8 2003, 02:15 PM
It could be a power supply issue. I have had faulty power supplies do strange things to a pc. I just like to try everything before suggesting you spend money on something that may not solve your problem. :D
I have had this problem since day 1 when you helped me complete the computer. The power supply has been here since that day. The voltage adjustment helped lots, but didnt totally eradicate (sp?) the problem.

[Nobody]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS SHOGUN@Feb 8 2003, 04:18 PM
First off, Thank you SLiK for posting your system info, That&#39;s the way it should be posted :thumbs:

Some more background info, This problem has plagued SLiK&#39;s computer since day one, Those voltages show to be out of range, But my similiar Epox shows the same voltages and runs fine. It could still be a power supply problem, But he doesn&#39;t have a spare one to try. When he was installing the HSF the very first time, It seems like I remember him sticking it on backwards. He&#39;s installed different Via 4 in 1 drivers and it still has the same problem. That&#39;s about all I can remember, So if anyone can help, Please do.
:thumbs:

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS SHOGUN@Feb 8 2003, 02:18 PM
First off, Thank you SLiK for posting your system info, That&#39;s the way it should be posted :thumbs:

Some more background info, This problem has plagued SLiK&#39;s computer since day one, Those voltages show to be out of range, But my similiar Epox shows the same voltages and runs fine. It could still be a power supply problem, But he doesn&#39;t have a spare one to try. When he was installing the HSF the very first time, It seems like I remember him sticking it on backwards. He&#39;s installed different Via 4 in 1 drivers and it still has the same problem. That&#39;s about all I can remember, So if anyone can help, Please do.
Youve practcially won a new car shogun. Yeah i had it on backwards but thanks ot my crapp webcam broadcasting pcis to you guys, i fixed that. Yeah I tried some via drivers to no avail, but havent lately.

[MR. SLiK]

ok im going to let my sister work on her lab. Im going to be staying in this thread. if ANYONE has anything, please post. Ill try to contact you soon.

[Nobody]

Link for bios updates.

Epox Link (http://www.epox.com/html/motherboard.asp?product=EP-8KHAplus&lang=1)

[Fragetti]

:hmmm: are you over clocking?
I dont think heat or voltage is your problem in fact these XP chips love voltage but&#33;&#33; also develop a lot of heat. Here&#39;s my spec and I am only over clocked 50 mhz were i run this machine normally. I had this system boot Win XP Pro @ 1.85 Ghz with water cooling with a temp of 55c would not run Quake tho. I would remove and re-seat your CPU and use a small amount of Quick Silver thermal past. you are using a shim? how long has this system been on line since you built it?

[Fragetti]

Here&#39;s those spec. the pic didnt print :WTF:

[MR. SLiK]

No im not over clocking.

[OUTLAWS WHOCARES]

I still feel it&#39;s the PS.
Even with those temps it shouldn&#39;t just freeze up on you.
Have you tried a different Hard drive?

[MR. SLiK]

I feel its the power supply as well. Yep i have tried 2 differnet ones.

[OUTLAWS WHOCARES]

Ok since you tried different haddrives
How about memory and video card?
The CPU does have Thermal gunk on it correct?

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by WHOCARES@Feb 8 2003, 04:38 PM
Ok since you tried different haddrives
How about memory and video card?
The CPU does have Thermal gunk on it correct?
I have already tried swtiching my gf3 with my gf2 gts same thing happened. I did over 3 hrs of tests on my memory and got no errors.

[OUTLAWS WHOCARES]

The only logical thing I can think of it being is the Power Supply.
Break down and buy one.

[Fragetti]

Mr Slik If you want to shell out 85 bucks for a PS go for it.
Do you have a hardware monitor that will show you real time voltage reading? If so you could watch for changes in your voltages. Yes drastic changes will cause lockups.HMonitor (http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?3326)

I would check for proper seating of you CPU and video card etc.
It’s cheaper than a PS. Also did you back off any aggressive setting in the bios and see if that help. If turning them back helps that start turning them up one at a time to fine the culprit.

[MR. SLiK]

Ok ill download that. The processor shouldnt be the problem, although i did have to reseat it once since when i first built the computer it wouldnt boot at all.

[MR. SLiK]

ok this is what i got when i installed it and ran it for the first time

[Fragetti]

Slik I see you I/O voltage is way low compared to mine. (Solid 3.50v) I would verify that with the MB manufacture. You may I deed have a bad PS

[MR. SLiK]

hmm, is there anyway to adjust it? Shogun can you install this program so i can see what your I/O is?

[OUTLAWS WHOCARES]

It&#39;s gotta be the PS

[MR. SLiK]

yay it just froze again&#33; I didnt catch the readings though cause it was minimized, though the meter was at yellow.

[MR. SLiK]

I was opening starcraft, minimized was talking on aim and it locked up

[Fragetti]

Slik if its an older case. check the PS vents and fan for dust and dirt
build up. the PS may be getting to hot and that would cause the voltages to really flux.

[Fragetti]

Slik think you can keep that thing running long enogh to play some freeze Tag?

[MR. SLiK]

Right now im alittle cautious since it froze when being in starcraft. There was some dust in my case which i took out but none was even near the power supply

[MR. SLiK]

I wish Shogun was on so I could compare with his. Oh i forgot to tell you my case is pretyt new, its a cheiftec. I think Tip has the same one i do. Came with dual fans and this 400w power supply

[MR. SLiK]

tried running starcraft again and it froze. After scan disk my computer just rebooted itself, did scan disk again, and windows tells me i recovered from a serious error.

[Fragetti]

Slik know how to get in to your Adminstrative Tools?
Win XP Pro right?

Go to Component Services Then Event Viewer (Local) and check your log for erorrs. You may fine something there :WTF:

[MR. SLiK]

how do i get component services? Yes i have XP pro

[MR. SLiK]

n/m found it

[MR. SLiK]

Yep a bunch of errors.

[MR. SLiK]

Ok what the hell is going on? I go into SiSoft Sandra right now and it says my CPU Core voltage is 1.84V?&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; I went into the bios and i cant change anything under frequency/voltage&#33; It says my New CPU Voltage is 1.65V but everything is greyed out except 2 voltage settings&#33; This happened ever since i installed H monitor&#33; Oh wait come to think of it, I installed new Via 4-in1 drivers, **** WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY MAHCINE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :bawling:

[Intense Fury]

Originally posted by MR. SLiK@Feb 8 2003, 09:52 PM
Its that time again, my computer is locking uo :mad: Its that stupid, dreaded temperature 113-114 (45 C) that it decides to lock up. This room is pretty hot, but the rest of the house is cold, funny huh? Anyways I opened the case and put a fan with ice behind it (i figured it would bring cooler air since its going through the fan, tell me if this is a bad idea) to help cool it down. I think it might be a power supply problem again? I know its not memory, i tested that. We trhink its not thte heat, since you and others run there system at over 50C. Its not my heatsink since (i think) Shogun is uisng the exact same one (coiolermaster I think the name is). My power supply is 400W. My CPU Core voltage is at 1.65V which is what solved most of the frequent lockups, but now it does them every now and then. My system specs:

AMD 2100+ at 1.74 ghz
EPOX EP-8KHA+ VIA Apollo KT266A (VT8366A) 200/266 MHz Motherboard
The heatsink: CPU FAN|HHC-001 PURE COPPER (AMD/INTEL)
1 GB of PC2100 DDR Ram
80gb 7200 WD Master drive
40gb 7200 Seagate Slave drive
Gf3 ti200 64 mb
Win XP Pro Service Pack 1

Voltage stats below
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[MR. SLiK]

omg my computer is totally ****ing up. I uninstalled the drivers through the setup program on this cd and reinstalled, now internet explorer is running like a 90 mhz cpu with 16 mb ram.

[Fragetti]

&#036; in 1 Drivers would not have any thing to do with that. Did you update your Bios?
That would.

You CPU core vo;tage looks fine. but it&#39;s the other voltages that would have me concerned.

My CPU flux voltage 1.79 - 1.84v

[MR. SLiK]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Fragetti@Feb 8 2003, 08:37 PM
&#036; in 1 Drivers would not have any thing to do with that. Did you update your Bios?
That would.

You CPU core vo;tage looks fine. but it&#39;s the other voltages that would have me concerned.

My CPU flux voltage 1.79 - 1.84v
omg now my video and monitor drivers have been replaced by defualt drivers? Wtf is going on? All i did was i went to that site Nobody linked, went to Drivers, and downloaded Via 4-in-1. I cant change any voltage stuff in the bios. The voltage says 1.63-65 in the bios but 1.84 in windows?&#33;

[Intense Fury]

:online2long:

[MR. SLiK]

Intense, be helpful or get out of this thread and stop spamming&#33;

[MR. SLiK]

well I uninstalled Hardware sensors monitor and my voltage returned to 1.65V

[MR. SLiK]

going to test some games, if i leave that means it locked up and ill be coming back

[Intense Fury]

ok ill stop

[MR. SLiK]

well i just played The Cube single player with no crashes

[OUTLAWS DirtGod]

U might want to also start thinking about getin a ups backup or powercleaner maybe you getting bad power from you jack..... :WTF:

[MR. SLiK]

It cant be. My other computer never had any problems like this. Just played some starcraft, no crashes.

[FUS1ON]

What SLiK is trying to tell you all is that our Epox boards for some weird reason read the voltages incorrectly. Epox is aware of it, But I haven&#39;t seen a bios flash to correct the problem yet, But I haven&#39;t checked in quite a while since my is running fine. Chico, &#036;pike and myself have identical machines and they all read this way. :wacko: This is another thread that kinda covers the same problem he&#39;s been having. LINK (http://www.gamemecca.net/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=5213&st=0)
SLiK&#39;s
http://www.gamemecca.net/forums/uploads/post-8-1041215866.jpg
Mine
http://www.gamemecca.net/forums/uploads/post-8-1041217520.jpg

[MR. SLiK]

hey shogun. You know what i saw? I started that thread on Dec 27 and in that component tools thing, thats exactly the other date where it was scrolling errors. Things seem to be back to normal so far... I have a house fan blowing into the case right now, havent tried it yet without it. I havent lokced up yet thoigh playing games. That Hardware sensor thing was screwing up my system.

[Fragetti]

slik not likely the HMonitor mess up your system. I used it on many a computer and never had any problem.

Fragitti :wave:

[MR. SLiK]

well it did something, since my comp voltage wnet all the to 1.84 (the problem before was the voltage was to at 1.75, and now its at 1.84?&#33;) and then i uninstall it, and my voltage returns to normal.

[MR. SLiK]

Ugh it crashed when i left it on for a little bit (the screen saver was frozen and its not a 3d accelerated one). I just know if i play any games its going to crash.

[MR. SLiK]

OK i cleaned off a lot of dust off one of my case fans. I noticed there is some dust attached to the fan tips in my heat sink. Is that bad?

This was just after a crash. I felt the power supply and it was hot. I also now have a house fan blowing in.

[FUS1ON]

SLiK the PSU shouldn&#39;t be hot, Maybe just very slightly warm. I suspect that it&#39;s the problem and would switch it out.

[MR. SLiK]

Ok with the house fan blowing it its barely warm right now. Im going to play some games and when it crashes im going to feel it and report back here.

[Fragetti]

Slik Do you have a multi - meter? Check your voltages @ the main power plug on the mother board. That’s the only way you will know your true Voltage. The voltages you are seeing are only software generated estimates and will vary. A digital meter will work best as you will see minor changes. I found that running the Q3 Intro is enough to
Trigger a problem when I test systems.
:thumbs:

[MR. SLiK]

whats a multi meter? :unsure:

[Fragetti]

sorry multimeter or VOM or volt meter :blink:

[FUS1ON]

SLiK here&#39;s a link that shows what Frag&#39;s talking about doing. LINK (http://www.ochardware.com/articles/psuvolt/psuvolt2.html)
You can pickup a cheap one for around &#036;15 at Radio Shack.

[Fragetti]

slik got another coputer there? Swop the PS then you will know :thumbs:

[MR. SLiK]

oh i dont have that multi meter thing

[MR. SLiK]

I do, its a 300W. But im kinda nervous to do so, will it mess up anything?

[FUS1ON]

Nope

[MR. SLiK]

postive? ok then ill switch it out later and test it.

[Fragetti]

If your carefull you should be able to do it with out removing the suspected bad one. un-plug all conectors in your system and swop them with the new one (hopefully the cables are long enough)
position the new one carefully as not to touch mother board.

[OUTLAWS Behind You?]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Fragetti@Feb 8 2003, 07:16 PM
Mr Slik If you want to shell out 85 bucks for a PS go for it.
Do you have a hardware monitor that will show you real time voltage reading? If so you could watch for changes in your voltages. Yes drastic changes will cause lockups.HMonitor (http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?3326)

I would check for proper seating of you CPU and video card etc.
It’s cheaper than a PS. Also did you back off any aggressive setting in the bios and see if that help. If turning them back helps that start turning them up one at a time to fine the culprit.
Just an update. I downloaded HMonitor and was using it until today. I discovered today that it was blocking Norton Antivirus scans from scanning the disk&#39;s boot sectors. When HMonitor was running, NAV wouldn&#39;t read boot sectors, turn it off and NAV did.

Just in case some else is having this problem. Really sad, I liked having my system temperature displayed in the task area. :drink:

[OUTLAWS Tip]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Behind You?+Mar 6 2003, 05:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS Behind You? @ Mar 6 2003, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS Fragetti@Feb 8 2003, 07:16 PM
Mr Slik If you want to shell out 85 bucks for a PS go for it.
Do you have a hardware monitor that will show you real time voltage reading? If so you could watch for changes in your voltages. Yes drastic changes will cause lockups.HMonitor (http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?3326)

I would check for proper seating of you CPU and video card etc.
It’s cheaper than a PS. Also did you back off any aggressive setting in the bios and see if that help. If turning them back helps that start turning them up one at a time to fine the culprit.
Just an update. I downloaded HMonitor and was using it until today. I discovered today that it was blocking Norton Antivirus scans from scanning the disk&#39;s boot sectors. When HMonitor was running, NAV wouldn&#39;t read boot sectors, turn it off and NAV did.

Just in case some else is having this problem. Really sad, I liked having my system temperature displayed in the task area. :drink: [/b][/quote]
I use Motherboard Monitor. You can set it up to have your CPU and System temp in the Sys Tray. You can also set it to shut down your pc or beep when temps get too hot. I doubt Mr. Slik problem is with temps as mine runs at about 55C and goes up to about 60C when gaming.

First check to see your Motherboard is supported. Link on the left side of the page.

Link to MBM (http://mbm.livewiredev.com)

:cool: