So what are your thoughts?

[ME BIGGD01]

On the recent Death Penalty or execution of Tookie?

[Sirc]

Well, everyone knows I usually keep quiet and keep my opinions to myself so as not to offend others. :funny:

On one hand our prison system is supposed to punish AND rehabilitate. Which is a joke because our prison system only hardens a criminal and further teaches him how to live outside of society's laws, because prison is nothing like the real world, and the longer you're in, the worse off you'll be when they let you out. Our prison system sucks, as does our judicial system. But that's besides the point.

Now this guy was deamed a permanent threat to society and was condemned to death. However, he seems to have rehabilitated himself, by himself. He could probably find work and become a productive member of society working with inner city youth - and maybe keep one or two kids out of the prison system that would normally end up there.

Meanwhile, back at the prison, a serial rapist who has destroyed the lives of 3 or 4 young girls is getting paroled 10 years early. And his victims are scared to death now that he is loose again. Oh no, he has to register as a sex offender. That sucks for him. :rolleyes:

Our justice/prison system is so screwed up it's beyond belief. California's "three strikes" law allows a person who has been caught with a small bag of pot for the third tme to go to jail for something like 60 years. LOL.
F**king ridiculous.

But back to the point. Tookie is a special case. Tookie rehabilitated himself (maybe). But Tookie created one of the most notorious and violent gangs in America. He was the head of a gang that easily rivaled any mafia organization. He was an overlord. He was no doubt responsible for ordering many many killings, including cops, and providing street drugs that killed untold numbers of kids. Forcing underage girls into prostitution. And the Crips gang continues to this day doing the same thing because Tookie was an excellent leader and organized this gang very well. You have to remember that this guy was only tried on the murder charge(s) they could prove. He was guilty of so much more. So, while it is good that he may have redeemed himself a bit in the eyes of the Lord, because he's gonna need all the help he can get in the afterlife, he still deserves to have a railroad spike driven into his forehead. Slowly. He should have been removed from this earth the day they decided he was guilty.

Don't allow yourselves to let the press get into your head and spin a monster into some poor misunderstood old man who only wants to help kids. This guy is your worst nightmare. Fry his ass. :down:

[Asian Invasian]

On the recent Death Penalty or execution of Tookie?
Its stupid

[Sirc]

Its stupid

Why?

[OUTLAWS Tip]

I didn't forgive him two days ago, but I do forgive him today.

He founded a gang that has killed many people. He killed several himself. Sorry but I couldn't/wouldn't forgive him myself. I forgive him now that he is meeting his maker and settling the whole thing out for real.
:rolleyes:

[Oscar(WCFD)]

On the recent Death Penalty or execution of Tookie?

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The scum bag lasted 26 years to long!

[Die Hard]

Well, he never the headlines on my side of the pond so.......

[ME BIGGD01]

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The scum bag lasted 26 years to long!

I do feel that the system is broken and that it took so long to actually put the guy to sleep is insulting. The poor families that this punk has hurt had to deal with that for all of these years. I wish the activists would put more energy for victims rather then the people who committed the crimes or destroyed innocent lives. I hope they fix the system but somehow I doubt it. I think Crime would be less if we actually started ridding our country of these useless people. It would also save a lot of tax payers money which could be spent on education. How many appeals does it take?

On a side note of that, they should of arrested those animals for screaming and acting up during the process. I thought it was unfair to the victims families that were present. More salt in their wound.

These gangs have done nothing but invaded many schools here in NY and I am sure in your area as well. It seems the media promotes this as you see these thugs in commercials, video games, movies etc. what I find worst is seeing some kid wanting to be a gangster thug from all of the promotions on these people. What are people thinking these days is all I ask.

I also do not believe that this guy has changed. They tried to make him look like he found God and was a changed man but their plandid not work. I was shocked that Arnold did not fold with the descision. I really hope the video shows up on the web.

[Goober]

Down here in the south the term "he needed killin" can be used for a defense for a homicide. Unfortunatly that won't work anywhere else.....Scumsucking rapist and murderers seem to be made up as the victims these days.

My 2 cents worth. I feel that while Mr. Tookie "might" have become a "model" citizen he still hadn't paid his debt to society.
Do I agree with the death penalty? Yes Do I think it's working as a deterrant? No.

I think it would be better to let them rot in prison for the rest of their lives then to end their miserable lives quickly. It also would save us taxpayers a large amount of money. Read what I have found and see if you don't agree.

A Duke University study found... "The death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of imprisonment for life." ( The costs of processing murder cases in North Carolina / Philip J. Cook, Donna B. Slawson ; with the assistance of Lori A. Gries. [Durham, NC] : Terry Sanford Institute of Public Policy, Duke University, 1993.)

"The death penalty costs California $90 million annually beyond the ordinary costs of the justice system - $78 million of that total is incurred at the trial level." (Sacramento Bee, March 18, 1988).

"A 1991 study of the Texas criminal justice system estimated the cost of appealing capital murder at $2,316,655. In contrast, the cost of housing a prisoner in a Texas maximum security prison single cell for 40 years is estimated at $750,000." (Punishment and the Death Penalty, edited by Robert M. Baird and Stuart E. Rosenbaum 1995 p.109 )

"Florida spent an estimated $57 million on the death penalty from 1973 to 1988 to achieve 18 executions - that is an average of $3.2 million per execution."
(Miami Herald, July 10, 1988).

"Florida calculated that each execution there costs some $3.18 million. If incarceration is estimated to cost $17000/year, a comparable statistic for life in prison of 40 years would be $680,000."
(The Geography of Execution... The Capital Punishment Quagmire in America, Keith Harries and Derral Cheatwood 1997 p.6)

Figures from the General Accounting Office are close to these results. Total annual costs for all U.S. Prisons, State and Federal, was $17.7 billion in 1994 along with a total prison population of 1.1 million inmates. That amounts to $16100 per inmate/year.
(GOA report and testimony FY-97 GGD-97-15 )

From this; the cost of keeping a 25-year-old inmate for 50 years at present amounts to $805,000. Assuming 75 years as an average life span, the $805,000 figure would be the cost of life in prison. So roughly it's costing us $2 million more to execute someone than it would cost to keep them in jail for life.

[OUTLAWS WHOCARES]

He is square with the house now.
IMO if you are sent to die there should be no wait. Guilty then fry. Same day.

[NightBreed]

Just wait..there's gonna be some action taken because that nurse couldn't find his vein quickly enough..Some lawyer will pursue that..just watch..

What the court system should do is put a heparin lock in everyone in death row, so they can look at it until the day they die..

That oughta make the job quicker..:thumbs:

[Pure_Evil]

they get 7 apeals I think, and that's what cost so much, I think with DNA testing, they should lower that. For the sake of the 4 famillies he directly ruined and the 1000's of other his gang has ruined, he died as he should have.


Rehabilitaded himself? :rofl::rofl:that's too funny! I bet he was still running his gang is some small way!

I still think on your tax form, instead of having a spot to donate to campain funds, they should have a sponsor a death box where you could donate money that goes directly to executing a scumb bag!

This country is so soft it's pathetic.

[Asian Invasian]

Why?
I think that its fair to say the state of mind he was in a while ago is the one he should have been punished on. Due to our slow justice system they let him go unpunished. Look what they did he has wrote books and helped give kids advice. He told them is a walking example of what not to do. The state of mind he was in now disapoints me to know he was sentenced to death, but im probably wrong :-/

[Pure_Evil]

It should also be shown on cable pay-per-view with the proceeds going to the victims families.

I like the way he thinks :thumbs:

but if they do pay per view, can we go back to hangings, beheading, & electrocution? Lethal injection isn't picturesque enough http://bestsmileys.com/evil/10.gif

[FUS1ON]

The cost of housing these thugs until their appeals run out is outrageous. I'm with Who and some of the rest of you, they need to seriously shorten the process.

Do I believe he reformed? I'll quote an old saying, "There are no atheist in foxholes." Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but I doubt he did. No matter, if he had not been put to death, he could have spent his remaining days trying to do good and still not ever paid his debt even. That SOB needed to die.

Some peolple think that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is extreme, shiot I think they need to institute his techniques nationwide.


Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) is doing it RIGHT!! He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but "G" movies. He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.
He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them.....this is a good one......"This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."
He bought Newt Gingrich's lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place. You have to love this guy!!
More on the AZ Sheriff:
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:
About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to
their government-issued pink boxer shorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 1/2 years. "It's inhumane."
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is
not one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and
they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes... so shut your damned mouths."