All hell will break loose now

[ME BIGGD01]

"The body of 18-year old Eliahu Asheri from Itamar is found buried in a field in a-Tira, Ramallah"

I honestly hope Isreal takes heavy measures in response to this. While the World does nothing but debate innocent people continue to get killed by these extremists and countries that support it. It is time to start eliminating these countries that support these scumbags.

Isreal should do what it has to at this time and ignore the rest of the world that ignores them. Since America cannot do the job right because of politics Isreal should just do what they have to to stop this on their people. For once I wish the world would realize you can not deal with these people as they are evil.

[JIMINATOR]

the Israelis or the Palestinians? because from where i am sitting they are doing pretty much the same things to each other. on one side it is the military, on the other it is terrorists. sorry to say this, but they hate each other, they always have and they always will. doesn't settler imply that he was living on land where Palestinians were forcibly removed? That whole area is just going to be the future WWIII. The sad thing about it is that absolutely nobody would give a shiz if there was no oil there.

[Caged Anger]

That is a battle that would serve no purpose. The 2 (Israelis and Palestinians) will always hate each other and will never agree to peace. Therefore, any foreign intervention would get locked into another never ending war with no positive outcome.

[TheMaster]

There are extremists on both sides, among Israelis and Palestinians. They are both killing innocent people, not just radical Palestinians.

[ME BIGGD01]

I don't understand how the word extremists can be used against Isreal. I follow this very closely and I just want to remind everyone that Isreal pulled back a while ago and tried peace many times with these people. Look at the Government they voted in Palestine. They continued to shoot missle at Isreal and do terrorist suicidal attacks killing innocent civilians. Isreal should not be considered extreme for firing back. I for the life of me cannot understand why they have been holding back even after pulling out of Gaza a year ago. It only goes to show you can not reason with these people therfore you have no other choice. Kinda like Iraq IMO.

And Jim you mentioned Occupy or something as if Isreal is in Palestines land or took it. I urge anyone to look it up and get the facts to that. I mean really do you know where Palestine originates from? It only goes to show the Muslims are so full of crap when they preach because they just hate Jews and will use anything to hate them. Once you look it up you will understand what I mean. Maybe finding an old map will help also look into Saudi Arabia will help explain the history of Palestine.

[Die Hard]

The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end of the First World War with the disintegration of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Palestine was among the several former Ottoman Arab territories which were placed under the administration of Great Britain under the Mandates System adopted by the League of Nations pursuant to the League's Covenant (Article 22) .

All but one of these Mandated Territories became fully independent States, as anticipated. The exception was Palestine where, instead of being limited to "the rendering of administrative assistance and advice" the Mandate had as a primary objective the implementation of the "Balfour Declaration" issued by the British Government in 1917, expressing support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain in frustration turned the problem over to the United Nations.

See also the study: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part I

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The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

1947-1977


After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices.

See also the study: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part II

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The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

1977-1990
Events on the ground, however, remained on a negative course. In June 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon with the declared intention to eliminate the PLO. A cease-fire was arranged. PLO troops withdrew from Beirut and were transferred to neighboring countries after guarantees of safety were provided for thousands of Palestinian refugees left behind. Subsequently, a large-scale massacre of refugees took place in the camps of Sabra and Shatila.

In September 1983, the International Conference on the Question of Palestine, which was widely attended, adopted inter alia the Geneva Declaration containing the following principles: the need to oppose and reject the establishment of settlements in the occupied territory and actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, the right of all States in the region to existence within secure and internationally recognized boundaries, with justice and security for all the people, and the attainment of the legitimate, inalienable rights of the Palestinian people.

In December 1987, a mass uprising against the Israeli occupation began in the occupied Palestinian territory (the intifadah). Methods used by the Israeli forces during the uprising resulted in mass injuries and heavy loss of life among the civilian Palestinian population.

See also the study: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem Part III Part IV

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The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

The Peace Process
A Peace Conference on the Middle East was convened in Madrid on 30 October 1991, with the aim of achieving a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement through direct negotiations along 2 tracks: between Israel and the Arab States, and between Israel and the Palestinians, based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973) (the "land for peace" formula). A series of subsequent negotiations culminated in the mutual recognition between the Government of the State of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian People, and the signing by the two parties of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements in Washington, D.C., on 13 September 1993, as well as the subsequent implementation agreements, which led to several other positive developments, such as the partial withdrawal of Israeli forces, the elections to the Palestinian Council and the presidency of the Palestinian Authority, the partial release of prisoners and the establishment of a functioning administration in the areas under Palestinian self-rule. The involvement of the United Nations has been essential to the peace process, both as the guardian of international legitimacy and in the mobilization and provision of international assistance.

[ME BIGGD01]

I also would like someone to point out where Isreal is doing the same thing. I mean I read the posts claiming they are doing the same but I do not recall Isreal sending in people to blow themself up and killing innocent people. If you are claiming that after Isreal is bimbed or has been attacked and Isreal goes in to bomb the houses where the leaders are and civilians get killed I think that is much different. I think you have to understand how thesepeople work as they surround themslef around day care centers, mosques and just regular innocent people. You can not blame Isreal for the counter attack regardless of collateral damage. I mean honestly those people probably support the leaders of Hammas and therefore should be considered the enemy.

But let's not be mistaken. Isreal does not just bomb them for nothing. It is a counter attack for the original attack.

I can not understand how anyone can can consider Isreal in the wrong especially when they gave in for peace again and continued to be attacked.

[DiTomasso]

Excellent piece of work DH :thumbs: :thumbs:

btw i don't think its funny to be blown of a beach by mistake by an Israelic rocket.

[TheMaster]

Perhaps you misunderstood me Biggs. I did not use extremist to describe Israel as a whole. Israel is trying to defend their homes from radical Palestinians who feel the Israelis should be expelled. But there are some elements who have waged attacks that resulted in the deaths of innocent Palestinian civilians. There are people on both sides who are guilty of that. But I did not mean to imply that Israel is wrong to retaliate against Hamas and Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade. Those terrorist groups are the ones who won't end the violence, and will never accept any peace with Israel.

[SASQUATCH]

This isn't nothing I don't know already because it's been going on for over 5000 years. Peace and mostly communicating together will only resolve this mattter but it will not happen for a long time. More is yet to come and you havn't seen the worst yet. It's a shame that for over 5000 years and yet no peace.

If you go further back the history speaks for itself and if you know your history about it, it will explain why today and about the past.

Let me give you all little something beyond, and that is Babylon.