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FUS1ON
09-02-2006, 02:53 AM
I got this email today and i'd like to share it:

Regardless of your political views, this certainly gives us all food for thought.
Sen. Glenn was so quick on his feet.

When you speak from the heart and with passion, you never know what comes out.
SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:
Things that make you think a little.......

1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq
during the month of January.....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American City ,about as deadly as
the entire war torn country of Iraq.

2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war,state the following;
FDR....led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea , North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy....started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From ! 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has liberated two countries,

Crushed the Taliban,

Crippled al-Qaida,

Put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea, without firing a shot, and
captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking,

but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the Police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick, killing a woman.

Wait, there's more......................

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they
do for a living. This exchange between! Senators John Glenn and Senator
Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading . Not only is it a pretty impressive,
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation
of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.

This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of our military.

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004

Senator Howard Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars.
I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by antiaircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in
the space program.

It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the
line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me .. as I
went! the other day.... to a veteran's hospital and look those men -
with their mangled bodies - in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a
job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have
gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger
Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their Dads
didn't hold a job.



You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery , where I have more friends buried than I'd
like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation, and
you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard
Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life
thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And
they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a
dedication to duty that was more important than life itself. And!
their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible.

I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard
Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA

If you can read this, thank a teacher....

If you are reading it in English, thank a Veteran.



PWND! :thumbs:

JIMINATOR
09-02-2006, 03:15 AM
come on man.... you should know most every email that someone forwards is BS....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

the stuff from Howard Metzenbaum was from a 1974 debate. the stuff above is just some propaganda from ~2004 that someone added afterwards. the stuff at the end is more of the same. Note the mention that Howard was an attorney during WWII. He be old....

Mad Fox
09-02-2006, 04:19 AM
I find that email to be very slanted and not really looking at the fact and complexities of many events

TheMaster
09-02-2006, 04:24 AM
This thread has been nothing but an attack against all Democratic presidents this past century and a praising of George W. Bush. Maybe you failed to mention this, but Bush Sr. led us into Iraq in 1991, and they never attacked us. No, of course you don't mention that, he's a Republican, and they all deserved to be praised, and the Democrats demonized.

FUS1ON
09-02-2006, 05:29 AM
Howard Metzenbaum to John Glenn:

Metzenbaum: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a 'job'?"

Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I was through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.

"I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, it was my life that was on the line. This was not a 9-to-5 job where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.

"I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day to a Veterans Hospital, and look those men with their mangled bodies in the eye and tell them they didn't hold a job.

"You go with me to any Gold Star mother, and you look her in the eye and tell her that her son did not hold a job.

"You go with me to the space program, and you go as I have gone to the widows and the orphans of Ed White and Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee, and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their dad didn't hold a job.

"You go with me on Memorial Day coming up, and you stand on Arlington National Cemetery — where I have more friends than I like to remember — and you watch those waving flags, and you stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell me that those people didn't have a job.

"I tell you, Howard Metzenbaum, you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men — SOME MEN — who held a job. And they required a dedication to purpose and a love of country and a dedication to duty that was more important than life itself.

"And their self-sacrifice is what has made this country possible.

"I HAVE HELD A JOB, HOWARD!"

Ok it appears his comments have had some additions added to it so this is what Glenn actually said, BUT the other stuff that was added is still true.

JIMINATOR
09-02-2006, 08:28 AM
Ok it appears his comments have had some additions added to it so this is what Glenn actually said, BUT the other stuff that was added is still true.
really? the whole thing is a lie. It is easy to take a whole bunch of statements you want to be true, throw them together, put someones name on it and present it as fact. People do this all the time. Since someone "important" said it, the statements bypass scrutiny. So what exactly are we accomplishing in Iraq? Is the war being won, or is our presence there just strengthening al-quaida? The murder statistics are also meaningless. Try posting "Iraq - Safer to be in then Detroit". Doesn't quite make you want to head over there I bet. Lastly, please be sure that any death rate comparision is comparing apples to apples. There are over a million us citizens in detroit, probably 30000 in iraq (as I recall, I can't find the actual number). The death count ranges from 50 to 100 per month in Iraq. For similar types of numbers detroit would have to be compared against 33X the number of deaths in iraq.

NastyDawg
09-02-2006, 09:19 PM
No matter how you look at it, this brings out passion from both sides. That's are biggest problem now we can't seem to work as one to solve are problems. The media and Internet are tearing this country a part and i don't see a fix anytime soon. We all need to see each others side and work towards a solution, not bash the President or the Democratic party. One thing we all can do is Vote (if your of age) and don't bitch if you don't.

SASQUATCH
09-05-2006, 04:38 PM
I got this email today and i'd like to share it:

Regardless of your political views, this certainly gives us all food for thought.
Sen. Glenn was so quick on his feet.

When you speak from the heart and with passion, you never know what comes out.
SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:
Things that make you think a little.......

2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war,state the following;
FDR....led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.


PWND! :thumbs:

Dec 11, 1941 - Germany declares war on the United States.

Mad Fox
09-05-2006, 07:24 PM
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but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.



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PWND! :thumbs:


Domestically the Atorney General is bound by laws

Unlike internationally where there is no consequence for disobeying