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Death Engineer
09-02-2006, 03:09 PM
After that last thread, you might think it is a hoax. It is not. There are links to prove it at the end of this post. To all of you other parents out there...please please please be aware of what your kids know and think about drugs.


First, I'm going to tell you a little about me and my family. My name is Jeff. I am a Police Officer for a city which is known nationwide for it's crime rate. We have a lot of gangs and drugs. At one point we were # 2 in the nation in homicides per capita. I also have a police K-9 named Thor.

He was certified in drugs and general duty. He retired at 3 years old because
he was shot in the line of duty. He lives with us now and I still train with him because he likes it. I always liked the fact that there was no way to bring drugs into my house. Thor wouldn't allow it. He would tell on you. The reason I say this is so you understand that I know about drugs.


I have taught in schools about drugs. My wife asks all our kids at least once a week if they used any drugs. Makes them promise they won't.

I like building computers occasionally and started building a new one in February 2005. I also was working on some of my older computers. They were full of dust so on one of my trips to the computer store I bought a 3 pack of DUST OFF. Dust Off is a can of compressed air to blow dust off a computer. A few weeks later when I went to use one of them they were all used. I talked to my kids and my two sons both said they had used them on their computer and messing around with them. I yelled at them for wasting the 10 dollars I paid for them.

On February 28 I went back to the computer store. They didn't have the 3 pack which I had bought on sale so I bought a single jumbo can of Dust Off. I went home and set it down beside my computer.

On March 1st, I left for work at 10 PM. Just before midnight my wife went down and kissed Kyle goodnight. At 5:30 am the next morning Kathy went downstairs to
>wake Kyle up for school, before she left for work. He was propped up in bed with his legs crossed and his head leaning over. She called to him a few times to get up. He didn't move. He would sometimes tease her like this and pretend he fell back asleep. He was never easy to get up. She went in and shook his arm. He fell over. He was
pale white and had the straw from the Dust Off can coming out of his mouth. He
had the new can of Dust Off in his hands. Kyle was dead.

I am a police officer and I had never heard of this. My wife is a nurse and she had never heard of this. We later found out from the coroner, after the autopsy, that only the propellant from the can of Dust off was in his system.No other drugs. Kyle had died between midnight and 1 AM.

I found out that using Dust Off is being done mostly by kids ages 9 through 15. They even have a name for it. It's called dusting. A take off from the Dust Off name. It gives them a slight high for about 10 seconds. It makes them dizzy. A boy who lives down the street from us showed Kyle how to do this about a month before. Kyle showed his best friend. Told him it was cool and it couldn't hurt you. It's just compressed air. It can't hurt you. His best friend said no.

Kyle was wrong. It's not just compressed air. It also contains a propellant called R2. It's a refrigerant like what is used in your refrigerator. It is a heavy gas. Heavier than air. When you inhale it, it fills your lungs and keeps the good air, with oxygen, out That's why you feel dizzy, buzzed. It decreases the oxygen to your brain, to your
heart. Kyle was right. It can't hurt you. IT KILLS YOU.

The horrible part about this is there is no warning. There is no level that kills you. It's not cumulative or an overdose; it can just go randomly, terribly wrong. Roll the dice and if your number comes up you die. ITS NOT AN OVERDOSE. It's Russian Roulette. You don't die later. Or not feel good and say I've had too much. You usually die as you're breathing it in. If not you die within 2 seconds of finishing "the hit." That's why the straw was still in Kyle's mouth when he died. Why his eyes were still open. The experts want to call this huffing. The kids don't believe its huffing. As adults we tend to lump many things together. But it doesn't fit here. And that's why its more accepted. There is no chemical reaction, no strong odor. It doesn't follow the huffing signals. Kyle complained a few days before he died of his tongue hurting. It
probably did. The propellant causes frostbite. If I had only known.

It's easy to say hey, it's my life and I'll do what I want. But it isn't. Others are always affected. This has forever changed our family's life. I have a hole in my heart and soul that can never be fixed. The pain is so immense I can't describe it. There's nowhere to run from it. I cry all the time and I don't ever cry. I do what I'm supposed to do but I
don't really care. My kids are messed up. One won't talk about it. The other will
only sleep in our room at night. And my wife, I can't even describe how bad she is taking this. I thought we were safe because of Thor. I thought we were safe because we knew about drugs and talked to our kids about them.

After Kyle died another story came out. A probation Officer went to the school system next to ours to speak with a student. While there he found a student using Dust Off in the bathroom. This student told him about another student who also had some in his
locker. This is a rather affluent school system. They will tell you they don't have a
drug problem there.

They don't even have a dare or plus program there. So rather than tell everyone about this "new" way of getting high they found, they hid it. The probation officer told the media after Kyle's death and they, the school, then admitted to it. I know that if they
would have told the media and I had heard, it wouldn't have been in my house.

We need to get this out of our homes and school computer labs. Using Dust Off isn't new and some "professionals" do know about. It just isn't talked about much, except by the kids. They all seem to know about it. April 2nd was 1 month since Kyle died. April 5th would have been his 15th birthday. And every weekday I catch myself sitting on the living room couch at 2:30 in the afternoon and waiting to see him get off the bus. I know Kyle is in heaven but I cant help but wonder If I died and went to Hell.

This Officer is asking for everyone who receives this email to forward it to everyone in their address book, even Law Enforcement Officers!

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dust-off-warning.html
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/dustoff.asp
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/dustoff.htm

EXEcution
09-02-2006, 04:23 PM
I have a can of dust remover in my room and I've read the warning labels which make it explicitly clear that inhaling this stuff causes frostbite and can be deadly. It's a real shame that kids these days are unaware of the risks they take when they choose to abuse a certian substance whether it's pot or anything else which is rumored to cause a high.

The actual chemical name of the propellant is Difluoroethane. It's being phased out as a refrigerant but is still used as an aerosol propellant. This chemical can have a damaging affect almost any part of your body. Whether it's your skin, eyes, or in the most severe case, your lungs.

Sirc
09-02-2006, 07:07 PM
In Ohio, as part of driver's training, one of the classes is devoted to making young people understand the effects of what a collision actually does to the occupants of a vehicle. And they do it in a very graphic fashion. They start with videos of crash dummies to let you get a feel for the violent dynamics involved, and then they move on to the police photos of car accident victims taken after an accident but before they are removed from what's left of the vehicle. It makes a lasting impression.

They should do the same with drugs. They should show photos of the decayed brain tissue of huffers. They should show police photos of things like a young man laying dead in his room, his eyes still open, the straw from the propellent can still in his mouth. Real pictures/movies can make such an impression. Telling kids something is much less effective than actually showing them. As with the auto accident photos, a young person would probably be less likely to do something stupid if his has the image of a dead teenager lying with a needle in his arm, or a paint-filled plastic bag still stuck to his face, or similar images, stuck in his mind.

Caged Anger
09-02-2006, 08:46 PM
it surprised me when i went into walmart to buy a can of air and they asked for ID, but it makes sense as kids will always try stupid things

Mad Fox
09-02-2006, 09:02 PM
I guess that a can of air is like glue

NastyDawg
09-02-2006, 09:26 PM
What ever happened to whippits? That was the thing when I was young and stupid, don't do this stuff kids!!!

Sirc
09-02-2006, 10:01 PM
What ever happened to whippits? That was the thing when I was young and stupid, don't do this stuff kids!!!

I don't think whippets are that dangerous. It's just nitrous oxide, the same stuff they use to fluff up whip cream and stuff. It's also called laughing gas and was (and still may be) used as a mild pain killer during dental prodedures. I've never done one, but I've watched my best friend do one and then he just giggled like an idiot for 15 seconds. Afterwards he didn't feel compelled to do it again, so I think it just wasn't that great of a high.

After Googling a bit I've found the main dangers of whippets are people losing their balance and getting falling injuries, or lung injuries from trying to inhale it right out of the canister. This is assuming that you don't do it continuously over a long period of time. Continuous usage can do damage in various ways to your body.

Nitric Oxide (NOS) is best used to get more HP from your car's engine. :thumbs:

It comes down to using common sense. Deliberately inhaling anything besides air is kinda stupid. Today, the air you breath is dangerous enough. Why push your luck?

FUS1ON
09-02-2006, 10:05 PM
it surprised me when i went into walmart to buy a can of air and they asked for ID, but it makes sense as kids will always try stupid things

Me too, I ran into WalMart to get a can of WD40 and used the self checkout aisle because I was in a hurry, they had to come OK the purchase. I'm glad to see preventative measure like this after reading the sad story up above.

FUS1ON
09-02-2006, 10:08 PM
What ever happened to whippits? That was the thing when I was young and stupid, don't do this stuff kids!!!

Mine was alkyl nitrite aka Locker Room, Rush, etc .... young and dumb. :rolleyes:

Sirc
09-02-2006, 10:30 PM
Way, way back when, I tried cocaine twice. I dunno if I'm just not chemically compatible with it or what, but I just didn't get a buzz from it. I was told I talked more, and louder, than usual (I'm actually a pretty quiet person in RL belive it or not), but other than that - nothing. That was the only drug I've ever used that could result in death just by using it.

I tried pot for a while. Sometimes it was fun, sometimes not. I found it was best used alone in a quiet setting listening to music or watching a movie. To this day, the movie "Deliverance" is the best movie I've ever seen. I don't think I blinked once thoughout the movie. All I can remember now about it is...green. Everything was lush green.

The most dangerous drug I has ever used was alcohol. I never drank enough to die from it directly, but I drank enough to do some really, really stupid sh**. I shudder when I think about the things I did. If I were a cat, I'd have one life left.

He Is Legend
09-03-2006, 12:56 AM
drugs are bad

Mad Fox
09-03-2006, 01:33 AM
drugs are bad



I noice your sig has the word marlboro?


A drug?

NastyDawg
09-03-2006, 01:37 AM
I noice your sig has the word marlboro?


A drug?

Good one Fox!

Sirc
09-03-2006, 04:32 AM
I noice your sig has the word marlboro?


A drug?

I see the words "weed user" too. He must weave his own baskets or something.

EDIT: Hey, and he's a fellow "thong user" too.