Abuse of Power

[Mad Fox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE


This really struck a cord with me. Having forgotton my Id several times it is scary.

[ME BIGGD01]

Well I thought for a moment after watching the video. At first I thought that the video was bias because the lack of understanding what the offence was. I then thought about the reason the taser was used and honestly saw no reason for it considering there were multiple officers there and unless the kid was being violent or had a weapon the taser did not need to be used. The kid will sue and get a settlement and be better off but....[/COLOR]
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I thought about all of the people watching this incident and it only goes to show how many pussies were there. I am sorry but I counted 3-5 cops and over 1000 students. From where I am from those cops would of been strung up and beaten to death for the unjustified act. It was totaly uncalled for considering the kid was most likely just a little loud mouth bitch who did not know when to STFU.[/COLOR]
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Police brutality happens every day. The lack of intelligence in our system that runs our everyday government is the reason. You know you luck up a drug dealer and they get released a day later. The constant incompetence in every aspect of the law has to get to some of these officers. I doubt any of us could ever realize what these cops have to deal with everyday and therefore should not judge from an incident posted on utube. I am sorry but I can not give a complete judgment on any of this unless I was there. If I was there and saw this happening I would judge and if it was completely out of line I would have tried to help and rallied the 1000 watchers to help stop this. I do think the taser is being used way too much though and in this situation it did not look as if was needed.[/COLOR]

]Now as the victim of this, if it was me I think I would of lost my mind after this. To me, I would look at this as an act of war and with that justify the future of that police department when I would set up and start sniping one by one and making sure each got shot in the face which makes for a better funeral/wake. That’s just me and honestly believe that when the laws are not followed and harm is done it is declaration of war on me as I do not support this pathetic government. If I follow the rules regardless of my opinion of this Government, they better make sure they do as well or like I said, WAR!!![/COLOR]

[Die Hard]

Does anyone have a highlighter pen?

[FUS1ON]

Does anyone have a highlighter pen?

I hear ya bud, I fixed it because that black type is a bitch to read .... and YES before anyone says something, I am fully aware that you can swipe over it. I did not edit any words.

[Die Hard]

my hero :wub:

[Bingo]

Maybe next time the kid will learn to do what he's freaking told.

Couple things to think about here:

1) No one here has a single clue what the hell led up to that incident. SOMETHING obviously had to have happened in order for all those cops to show up. Maybe he'd threatened to kill someone. Maybe the cops were called and told someone had a gun, bomb, whatever. Maybe he was just singing Celion Dion songs off key. We don't know. The fact that we don't know though means none of us have any business making a judgement call on anyones actions.

2) The first thing you can hear is the kid screaming that he's not going to move and 'don't touch me'. Yeaaahhhh. This is someone who is stable...

3) When a cop tells you to do something - guess what. You damn well better do it. Fact of life. I'm really sorry if you don't like it but that's the breaks. Complain later if you want. Knock yourself out. I'll get you the phone number even and a stamp too. But at the time - you'd damn well better just shut up and do it.

4) Just for a second - lets assume the cops decide to all be Mr and Mrs Happy and let the kid leave in his own happy time. Suddenly the kid pulls out a gun and shoots someone. Can you HONESTLY sit there and tell me that we wouldn't have this EXACT same damn thread except it would be going 'Check it out. These stupid damn cops just sat there and LET this kid kill people! It just goes to show you how stupid cops are!'.

5) As an officer, you simply never know what any given situation is going to turn into. How many traffic stops for speeding turn into a cop getting shot? Come on, we've all seen it dozens if not hundreds of times on TV. ANY situation has the potential to explode. Sorry, but as a cop you CANNOT give anyone the benefit of the doubt until the situation is controlled. A screaming person in the middle of an obviously crowded school building is simply not a controlled environment.

Does it suck for that kid to be tasered? Yeah man. I know I wouldn't want to be. Chances are he was just some emo kid on a bad day. But for those 1 in 1000 times when it's not just some pissed off dude you just have to react that way.

B

[JIMINATOR]

the dude was tasered. for all you know his heart was beating erratically and he was unable to stand. lots of people have died from being tasered. and I didn't watch the whole thing, but it looked like he was handcuffed...

[FUS1ON]

I watched it all and after he was tasered he seemed Ok to me, at least OK enough to keep spewing more shit instead of doing what he was being told.

[OUTLAWS Tip]

I think he should have stood up.
:D

[JIMINATOR]

since when do the ****ing cops have the right to torture you? because that's all the hell that was. the guy was handcuffed. i guess they had these nice new taser toys, so lets test them out. i'd be screaming cursing and yelling if my hands were cuffed behind my back and some bastard was shocking me with a taser. welcome to amerikkka, land of the free and the brave.

[EXEcution]

Check out some of the links posted in the video description. It will give you a better impression of what the incident was about.

This was also on the front page of the LA Times. Here's the link to the article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taser21nov21,0,1459046.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Most likely this situation was driven by a lack of professionalism on the part of the cops. The officer who was responsible for using the taser was also involved in an incident where he shot a homeless man. I think that is is pretty obvious that the cops on campus get half the amount of training the LAPD does. In turn they would be forced to rely on their instincts more instead of acting in a rational way to correct a difficult situation. Unfortunately they ended up at the wrong place and time.

I don't think the kid had a right to be shocked 5 times but at the same time he should have been given the chance to calm down immediately after being shocked once. The cops should have sat him on the ground (or let him lay still) and spoken to him in a calmer tone.

Bingo don't be foolish about him carrying a gun. You can obviously tell by what he was wearing that there was no place that he could have concealed a handgun. The library probably had a metal detector at the entrance much like the library at my university. He was also leaving so he probably had no intention of making a public scene.

A quote that I found while researching this seems to fit rather nicely into the "message" of the incident. "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can’t help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." - Robert Heinlein (American sci-fi author). After all the student made a stupid decisions and the cops reacted to it swiftly and without regret.

[BobtheCkroach]

I guess I went to a relatively little university, but uh, Metal Detectors? I've never seen one anywhere on campus. And WTH would you get in trouble for not having your ID?

The only time I've ever *had* to have my ID was when I paid of my bills, and that conversation would have gone "Do you have your id?" "No" "You'll have to come back when you do"


Gosh, I'm glad I went to a small school. I tell ya, whatever clout you get from a big school degree cannot be worth the constant crap that big school's seem to get.

[Mad Fox]

I guess I went to a relatively little university, but uh, Metal Detectors? I've never seen one anywhere on campus. And WTH would you get in trouble for not having your ID?

The only time I've ever *had* to have my ID was when I paid of my bills, and that conversation would have gone "Do you have your id?" "No" "You'll have to come back when you do"


Gosh, I'm glad I went to a small school. I tell ya, whatever clout you get from a big school degree cannot be worth the constant crap that big school's seem to get.


I dare say things have changed I go to a college of under 5000 students and we an id to get into academic buildings, athletic facilities, and the the dorms. They have a magnetic stip to see who enters and leaves. I can almost see how such a situation could occur.

[BobtheCkroach]

I dare say things have changed I go to a college of under 5000 students and we an id to get into academic buildings, athletic facilities, and the the dorms. They have a magnetic stip to see who enters and leaves. I can almost see how such a situation could occur.

I only graduated last year - I know for a fact they haven't done anything like that where I was, as I still have friends there and would have heard about it. Our school used this revolutionary technology called a key to enter dorms, and all academic facilities were either open, or closed...no in-between (other than a special key card access to the Comp. Sci facilities, but those were accessed via a key that had nothing to do w/ me ID).

Even if any of these facilities did require a keycard, I cannot invision how a student would get persecuted for not having an ID. I cannot see how just not having an ID can escalate past "I'm sorry, you can't check out the book without an ID" or something like that. How does a school cop escalate it to forcibly removing you for simply not having your ID on you? that bewilders me.

And the university was over double the size of your school. It's you rich east and west coast kids :P

[Sirc]

since when do the ****ing cops have the right to torture you? because that's all the hell that was. the guy was handcuffed. i guess they had these nice new taser toys, so lets test them out. i'd be screaming cursing and yelling if my hands were cuffed behind my back and some bastard was shocking me with a taser. welcome to amerikkka, land of the free and the brave.

Good point. Using a taser to subdue someone who is violent is one thing, but using it as punishment for passively resisting is something else entirely. The dude refused (or wasn't able) to stand up. That's when you hog tie him and carry his ass out, not repeatedly electrocute him. There were more than enough officers there to drag/carry him.

It's suppose to be "stay down or you're gonna get tasered again", and not "stand up or you're gonna get tasered again".

[Wiper]

Hmmm, cops cary taser with them...

What will be the next step? Bottle of acid?

Insane! just like the behaviour of the cops:down:

Btw, the first lesson a cop should learn is to calm down the situation no intention whatsoever show that... They keep on yelling and tasing

[BobtheCkroach]

Hmmm, cops cary taser with them...

What will be the next step? Bottle of acid?

Um...that's kind of a silly comment...most cops carry Pistols. This kid's lucky they didn't have one of those.

Tasers are an effective, non-lethal answer to crime. In the hands of these morons, they were used improperly, but that's not the fault of the weapon. Most cops carry guns - good thing these guys didn't or the kid probably would have been shot.

I'm not sure how you make the leap from Taser to Bottle of acid.

[EXEcution]

Cops need to learn some hand to had combat techniques for subduing unarmed aggressors.

[Wiper]

Um...that's kind of a silly comment...most cops carry Pistols. This kid's lucky they didn't have one of those.

Tasers are an effective, non-lethal answer to crime. In the hands of these morons, they were used improperly, but that's not the fault of the weapon. Most cops carry guns - good thing these guys didn't or the kid probably would have been shot.

I'm not sure how you make the leap from Taser to Bottle of acid.

Hmmm, silly comment?? Indeed it's not lethal (in all cases), but still a sick weapon (especially for cops to carry and use), donno if you ever got an argue with ur home electricity but believe me it aint a nice feeling now immagine this far worse cuz tazers work on extremely high voltage...

A tazer should be used if a physical weak person got attacked by a strong one cuz it will paralyze the attacker immediatly, but still pepperspray is far more effective.

A rubber bat/pepperspray should be used by the cops not a tazers, freak who thought of that should be in a mental institution if you ask me.

[EXEcution]

Hmmm, silly comment?? Indeed it's not lethal (in all cases), but still a sick weapon (especially for cops to carry and use), donno if you ever got an argue with ur home electricity but believe me it aint a nice feeling now immagine this far worse cuz tazers work on extremely high voltage...

A tazer should be used if a physical weak person got attacked by a strong one cuz it will paralyze the attacker immediatly, but still pepperspray is far more effective.

A rubber bat/pepperspray should be used by the cops not a tazers, freak who thought of that should be in a mental institution if you ask me.
Tasers (it's spelled with an 's' not a 'z') can be lethal if applied enough times to the wrong person.

Also your home outlet outputs alot more amperage than a taser so there's less actual current running through your body but the voltage is high making it feel like you are getting hit with it all at once.

Peppersray is not nearly as effective against an aggressor who is under the influence of drugs of alcohol (which is often the case). It could blind that person but he could still take a blind swing and hit you. You need to be able to completely immobilize your opponent to be sure that he won't attack.

[BobtheCkroach]

Hmmm, silly comment?? Indeed it's not lethal (in all cases), but still a sick weapon (especially for cops to carry and use), donno if you ever got an argue with ur home electricity but believe me it aint a nice feeling now immagine this far worse cuz tazers work on extremely high voltage...

A tazer should be used if a physical weak person got attacked by a strong one cuz it will paralyze the attacker immediatly, but still pepperspray is far more effective.

A rubber bat/pepperspray should be used by the cops not a tazers, freak who thought of that should be in a mental institution if you ask me.

See, you're focusing on the weapon, not the person responsible. The cop misused power. You can kill someone with a rubber bat if you shove it down their throat. You can kill someone with pepperspray too, I bet. You can kill someone with just about freakin' anything.

The fact is that a taser is meant to be used on a criminal. I don't give a crap how much it hurts, if someone stole something, shot someone, whatever - if they broke a law - then they deserved to get hurt so bad that they pee their pants.

Unfortunately you have cops here that do not respect their power. It didn't matter what weapon these cops had had...they were out to hurt this kid. They coulda been unarmed and the kid still woulda gotten hurt, me thinks.

I'm not agreeing with what they did. I'm saying stop blaming the weapon and blame the freak that doesn't understand discretion.

[Wiper]

The fact is that a taser is meant to be used on a criminal. I don't give a crap how much it hurts, if someone stole something, shot someone, whatever - if they broke a law - then they deserved to get hurt so bad that they pee their pants.

I'm not agreeing with what they did. I'm saying stop blaming the weapon and blame the freak that doesn't understand discretion.


Srry Bobthe but got some wicked ideas about this...

Cut of the hand who stole something... if that doesn't make him/her peeing... I mean especially as a cop you got to make an example ha...

Sjeez, tasers for those with a public function.

Btw (to get back to the mainproblem), they used the taser to force him in to doing something and not in defense... I believe that is called torture ;) So jail or whatsoever would be a decent punishment for this cop.



To draw the line even further
Luckily you can judge in every situation who the quilty one is otherwise (especially in the USA) people would have been send to deathrow while they are innocent :thumbs:

[rancid monkey]

UCLA Community responds to Taser use on student Vid LINKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4_s4Un0TkI)

[JIMINATOR]

a woman getting tased...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXJhTneBNm8

undoubtedly she was stupid, but it seems like the cop escalated the situation.

[ME BIGGD01]

UCLA Community responds to Taser use on student Vid LINKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4_s4Un0TkI)

Hey thanks for posting this link. Although that skank looks like she should just do porn because her reporter skills look retarded I am glad they atleast showed an officer explaining what happened. If you can not see that these students are not trying to change the story than you're an idiot plain and simple. Just look at the skank reporting.

That F'ing punk kid went in and refused to follow the rules. You are suppose to have and present I.D. and I am sure there is reason for this regardless of this punk thinking that it is against his constituional right which seems to be the big story. I would bet my left nut that this kid started this because he is some sort of activist bitch. The video if you noticed is not showing the full or exact story. It does not show the beginning of this situation and therefore is biased to make it look as if the cops are fully in the wrong. I watched this video many times and honestly it does not show you much unless you consider other peoples reactions verbally. It's a liberal school with liberal teachers that teach liberal ways. To me it's a pathetic ploy to make it look as if the little bitch kid who could not follow a simple rule is a victim.

At this point I conclude that the kid should of been shot in the skull instead of tasered. These F'ing bitches need to follow the rules because they apply to everyone. He got less than he deserved in my eyes and I only hope that when they did finally get him in a cell they beat the S out of him.
F him!!!!

[Wiper]

At this point I conclude that the kid should of been shot in the skull instead of tasered. These F'ing bitches need to follow the rules because they apply to everyone. He got less than he deserved in my eyes and I only hope that when they did finally get him in a cell they beat the S out of him.
F him!!!!

Insane dude, just insane...

Hope u'll never get a powerfull position on a govermentfunction, and you probably won't cuz of your extreme way of thinking. Thank God you can't reply with politic correct comments otherwise you would be thruly dangerous now it just sounds stupid:thumbs:

Guys like you make sure things escalate instead of being solved....

[Wiper]

yah, Big D has killed a couple of people. He told me if i didnt hide the bodies he would kill me and rape my dead body. So naturally i hid them and he still raped me... bastard.

Yeah i could have read it with some feeling for irony if he didn't prove his love for violence before :D

[Sirc]

Hey thanks for posting this link. Although that skank looks like she should just do porn because her reporter skills look retarded I am glad they atleast showed an officer explaining what happened. If you can not see that these students are not trying to change the story than you're an idiot plain and simple. Just look at the skank reporting.

That F'ing punk kid went in and refused to follow the rules. You are suppose to have and present I.D. and I am sure there is reason for this regardless of this punk thinking that it is against his constituional right which seems to be the big story. I would bet my left nut that this kid started this because he is some sort of activist bitch. The video if you noticed is not showing the full or exact story. It does not show the beginning of this situation and therefore is biased to make it look as if the cops are fully in the wrong. I watched this video many times and honestly it does not show you much unless you consider other peoples reactions verbally. It's a liberal school with liberal teachers that teach liberal ways. To me it's a pathetic ploy to make it look as if the little bitch kid who could not follow a simple rule is a victim.

At this point I conclude that the kid should of been shot in the skull instead of tasered. These F'ing bitches need to follow the rules because they apply to everyone. He got less than he deserved in my eyes and I only hope that when they did finally get him in a cell they beat the S out of him.
F him!!!!

Good thing we caught BIGG on a good day. :D

I miss your posts BIGG. Wish you could be around more often. :thumbs:

[ME BIGGD01]

:D
I was hoping for some extreme comments. Wiper, look deeper and maybe you can understand the point I am making. Wait, you can not see so I will try once again.....

You say I have an extreme view. Well maybe so but let's take a look at the word extreme. I originally said that if the cops did this to this kid for no reason than there is a problem. You mention extreme but in what direction? Ofcourse you do not bother to look at the true cause of this probem but look at the the response. Lets go backwards for a second and see what it was that caused this problem.

Let's say you are walking in an office or whatever. You are asked for your ID and you refuse to show it. Now lets see why you would refuse it first. What is your agenda? Do you actually have an ID card? If so why do you have a ID card? What is the reason that the school gives out ID cards. Is there someone with a machine who just likes to give out cards with your info on them? OK, so now lets look at his comments after he refused to show or present his ID. He felt it was against his right and even mentionioned homeland security or something. That approach only goes to show he had another agenda here and most likely was a comlete setup. I would bet my other nut that this kid had this situation planned from the get go.
Are you with me still?

Can you imagine what kind of riot this punk bitch could of or actually in my eyes was trying to cause? It was a political agenda and also planned before that punk walked in. Believe it or not but not every thing is presented correctly on these utube google video craps. In fact if you ask me these things are created to mix up and weaken the minds of people and this clip just proves how easily fooled Americans are. I will give props for a new way to alter the publics view further. Another thing is I laugh at these people that cry about privacy as the very such company that they are uploaded videos to has no regard for. Ironic but maybe just plane ignorance.

Back to the actual subject,
This punk kid in many eyes is seen to be a victim. I did not judge so quickly. You know the problem with society is that nobody take into account the people in charge that must hold order in a daily situations. We blame the teachers that your our kids are stupid, we blame the chef that the food sucks, we blame the construction workers for the traffic, we blame the police officers for the ammount of crime. We blame, blame, blame!!!! Not once does anyone take into account what is the true problem. In this incident the police officers are blamed for the problem using excessive force. That maybe true as like Sirc said hog tie and carry is what I would of expected. It does not show enough video to explain everything so we do not know what this person was foing that they felt they had to taser him. Unless you guys are watching another video I don't see him at all. Again a bias view as it was presented. Maybe the kid had a book in his hand or another object? I don't know therfore I will not judge against either party. Still this whole thing started because the punk bitch did not present his ID as requested which is the rule/law. Now there is the big deal right there. Laws must be followed regardless of how you feel. Don't like the law? there are ways to fight that. We all break the laws but when we get caught we must face the penalty. Do not do the crime if you can't face the crime. If you speed you risk a ticket. You have no right to argue or give the cop a hard time if you get caught. Even if the cop is the biggest dick which most will judge him in the 5 minutes that you are getting a ticket without the thought of maybe this cop just came from an accident where someone was speeding and crashed into some family and killed three young children. Yet a quick judgement is just issued because you were just getting a ticket from a cop in a bad mood because the main problem is you broke the law speeding.

I laugh at people that take my comments as just plain nuts or craziness extreme. These people are usually the kind of people I discuss in my comment. I guarantee that there is a message in every post I make with also a hidden trick in there to prove the exact thing I am saying. Although not all comments are clean but sometime a switch in another direction to force one to ctually look at it from a different angle. I would not post if I felt I was not intelligent enough to make a comment but I wish those that feel they are too intelligent to back off and maybe figure it out. I would guarantee and bet the enitre sack that I do not just read and post anything and give things a complete overview before judgement. I would debate anyone any day on any subject as long as the judges were not bias. Although my presentation may seem harsh which it is intended, the message should be understandable.

[Wiper]

First get the problem straight,:

that the guy was wrong... Yeah I don't doubt that, but the way the cops abused their powers. I mean: with 3 man unable to drag a student to the car??? They just liked to use/abuse their powers... no other way to explain that.

And maybe the student had the intention from the beginning to make a scene or whatever. It just doesn't matter at that point! The cops aren't there to punish just to maintain public order.

To determ the right penalty they invented something else... the judge ;)


And back to the extreme commentstuff:

A fact is that 10-20% of a conversation is verbal and the other 80-90% is non-verbal. To project this on a forum were it's all verbal we're just handicapped for a very nice amount...

How strong is your statement allowed to be?? In the first post not a single word/smiley pointed to the fact that you should look at the "message beneat it". Just extreme comments wich like I said before make a nice connection with things posted in other threads about this kinda stuff.

But ok, to do you a pleasure I will skip the extreme and insane comment. Allthough you wouldn't be the first one on the internet posting some "irregular" stuff.

Now what you did with your second post is what you "forgot" in the first post (in my eyes it's more a rescue-action about "how you actually meant it"... but that's my opinion of course), and you did it with so many words dragging irrelevant examples to it (looking at the problem here: abuse of power).

Short (asuming you didn't meant exactly what you said):

You are making "rough" comments and asuming that people read it to find a point in it, cuz hey: you always say stuff like that so you probably are making a very good point.

Srry, not smart...

(and allready my excuse for the bad english...)

[JIMINATOR]

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/11/12/17050181.php

Here is a story about a 6 year old that was tased because he was holding a piece of glass and threateaning to cut himself.

That F'ing little kid went in and refused to follow the rules. You are suppose to listen to police officers and I am sure there is reason for this regardless of this kid thinking that he can do whatever he wants which seems to be the big story. I would bet my left nut that this kid started this because he is some sort of whiny child abused activist bitch. To me it's a pathetic ploy to make it look as if the little bitch kid who could not follow a simple rule is a victim.

At this point I conclude that the kid should of been shot in the skull instead of tasered. These F'ing bitches need to follow the rules because they apply to everyone. He got less than he deserved in my eyes and I only hope that when they did finally get him in a cell they beat the S out of him.
F him!!!!

[Wiper]

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/11/12/17050181.php

Here is a story about a 6 year old that was tased because he was holding a piece of glass and threateaning to cut himself.

That F'ing little kid went in and refused to follow the rules. You are suppose to listen to police officers and I am sure there is reason for this regardless of this kid thinking that he can do whatever he wants which seems to be the big story. I would bet my left nut that this kid started this because he is some sort of whiny child abused activist bitch. To me it's a pathetic ploy to make it look as if the little bitch kid who could not follow a simple rule is a victim.

At this point I conclude that the kid should of been shot in the skull instead of tasered. These F'ing bitches need to follow the rules because they apply to everyone. He got less than he deserved in my eyes and I only hope that when they did finally get him in a cell they beat the S out of him.
F him!!!!

Just love this :rofl: Nice Jim!:D

[Sirc]

:watchmovi

[Wiper]

:watchmovi

rent your own movie next time :D

[ME BIGGD01]

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/11/12/17050181.php

Here is a story about a 6 year old that was tased because he was holding a piece of glass and threateaning to cut himself.

That F'ing little kid went in and refused to follow the rules. You are suppose to listen to police officers and I am sure there is reason for this regardless of this kid thinking that he can do whatever he wants which seems to be the big story. I would bet my left nut that this kid started this because he is some sort of whiny child abused activist bitch. To me it's a pathetic ploy to make it look as if the little bitch kid who could not follow a simple rule is a victim.

At this point I conclude that the kid should of been shot in the skull instead of tasered. These F'ing bitches need to follow the rules because they apply to everyone. He got less than he deserved in my eyes and I only hope that when they did finally get him in a cell they beat the S out of him.
F him!!!!

Hey Jim, your humor makes no sense and wiper liking it proves that. While you attempt to mock me, if you actually read the article there was a pretty good statement. But none the less you mix up the point and never add to a conversation but pathetic attempts. So what if the kid actually did cut himself? What if he cut a vein? With all of your views why do we actually need police? If all they do is actually wrong why should they be around? Hell why bother to even have rules or laws because when people break them they become victims anyway.

And mixing this story up with a grown man in college is a bit foolish don't you think? What I find funny is you can relate to anything from any article without trully knowing what happened. Were you there? I mean you are already pointing out that the cop did the wrong thing but if your daughter was there and some kid had a piece of glass in his hand who was uncontrollable would you accept that there was apossibility that maybe she gets stuck in the eye and goes blind or maybe worst? You can attempt to make me look crazy but judge all you want. I find my way to be safer and more secure. I think yours and a few others here are the reason this world is such a mess. The again we live on opinions don't we?;)

[ME BIGGD01]

Wiper, you mention my first post. If you read I said I can not judge because I do not know the whole story. I then made comments regarding ifs and what looked wrong such as the three cops should of been able to bring the guy up. But then in other posts I mentioned I watche dthe other video someone posted and listed to the captain to what happened. In that first video it did not show everything. It just showed the cops tasering him and the little bitch screaming. Now it is obvious that this person was being a bit radical. It does not show his position or the cops for that matter. It does not show anything but a crowded room of students. It did not show the part where the guy was walking into the room denying to show his ID. I mean what possible reason would anyone find a problem showing their ID when you know it is the rules.
Bottom line this video does not justify the story and if you were a cop or knew one I am sure that you or them would have seen similiar situations where the person flipping out had a gun hidden and the pulls it out and kills someone. Ask a local officer what is the reason the have a taser and then ask whay not just use their gun instead.

[JIMINATOR]

the fact that you are a law enforcement officer does not give you an automatic right to taser a handcuffed person on the ground. it is also not an easy means to resolve problems with a 6 year old. people have died from being tasered. it ****s with the heart and can create arrythmias that lead to death. noncompliance in the beginning may have lead to inability to comply. it all points out to the sorry state of training the officers have with these devices. your response? shoot him in the head. how would you feel if that was one of your kids? or maybe you have a taser for personal home use?

[Die Hard]

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