Pirate Bay on Trial

[Caged Anger]

Not sure if anyone is keeping tabs on this, its a pretty interesting ordeal.

Not a fan of downloading stuff, too many bugs. This trial could have several implications for copyright trials in the future though so at least worth noting.
Gotta admit that the defense lawyer is pretty bawlsy to throw out the defense he did. Hit the read link to get the full story on the King Kong Defense, haha

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/5-1&fp=499c1eb0070dbe74&ei=gWKcSfqnBZOpmQfdttCXAg&url=http%3A//i.gizmodo.com/5155716/pirate-bay-trial-watch-day-3-the-legendary-king-kong-defense&cid=1304756051&usg=AFQjCNH5FJtqKxuw6kQNAk_dveOkeeb-6w

[JIMINATOR]

yeah, the various ip industries would love to be able to sue isps for 'making available' type stuff, it really isn't far removed from what is happening here.

[He Is Legend]

isohunt ftw

[Suicidal]

Well, demonoids still around

[Bingo]

Yeah this really will be interesting. I also am not a fan of downloading the illegal stuff for the virus and fake file reasons.

Plus I really do support buying stuff from indie companies who produce a product I like.

The implications this has though are pretty far reaching and therefore of serious interest.

[Caged Anger]

This just in, Pirate Bay has lunch with the prosecution, cracks jokes, generally funny, waiter proclaims loyalty to the bay

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/pirate_wednesda.html

[Nick]

Well, demonoids still around

DFTW!!!

[Death Engineer]

Just FYI, if TPB goes down, you can bet these other sites will be next. Definitely an interesting precedent being set in this case.

[Nitro]

TPB will probably win.

Mininova ftw, although if I wasn't so poor, I'd have a subscription to newsgroups

[Suicidal]

Just FYI, if TPB goes down, you can bet these other sites will be next. Definitely an interesting precedent being set in this case.

Well, theyve already tried to sue demonoid, and failed, miserably. Multiple times I think...

[He Is Legend]

TPB will probably win.

Mininova ftw, although if I wasn't so poor, I'd have a subscription to newsgroups

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww mininova

[Caged Anger]

This just in, prosecution baffled by lack of set operating structure...

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/neij.html

[JIMINATOR]

yeah, just imagine if someone tries to sue wikipedia one day...

[Suicidal]

Hm. i messed up. The pirate bay itself has been through many a lawsuit from many companies. Apparently theres never been a case.

but whats different about this one?

[Nitro]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww mininova

are you kidding? lol

[He Is Legend]

are you kidding? lol

Man yeah, it's ok..it's my last resort if isohunt or piratebay don't have anything

Their leeches over seeds is MASSIVE

[Caged Anger]

Today in the news:
Prosecution Alters Pirate Bay Charges in Bid to Win Conviction

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/blog_threatleve.html

[Caged Anger]

Music Exec Ridiculed at Trial
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/piratebaywednes.html

"Laughter filled The Pirate Bay trial here Wednesday when John Kennedy, the chief executive of the International Federation of Phonographic Industries, testified that people would have purchased every music track they got free file sharing.
Kennedy answered an affirmative "Yes" to Pirate Bay defense attorneys when asked whether that was true. Bursting laughter could be heard from the audio room beside the courtroom where the trial's sound was being broadcast."

Smiled a bit myself reading this one :o

[Death Engineer]

Only in their fake universe. Itunes has proven that if you embrace the public's medium of choice (MP3-ish) and offer it at a fair price, people will buy it ... probably in larger numbers than ever before.

[Nitro]

99 cents is still asking too much. the record companies get the majority of that 99 cents anyhow so I'm quite glad Eminem is suing them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/feb/25/eminem-universal-digital-royalties-lawsuit

[Caged Anger]

Pirate Bay Trial Ends; Verdict Due April 17
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/pirate-bay-tria.html

I await the verdict :)

[Wiper]

Pirate Bay Trial Ends; Verdict Due April 17
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/pirate-bay-tria.html

I await the verdict :)

I think some don't understand the true consequences if TPB loses the case.

They'll keep on sueing TPB over and over again till they found a way to shut it down. Once they managed to get it down, all the other torrent suppliers will be shut down shortly afterwards for the same "reasons". TPB is just best known by all and used as example.




99 cents is still just too much.

[EXEcution]

99 cents is still just too much.

And free is not enough.

[Suicidal]

but pirate Bay has been sued so many times...
it takes them SOO long to even get CLOSE to sueing them.

[Dan2]

99 cents for a song that you must have is a BARGAIN.
It used to be if you liked a song you had to fork over $15-$20 for the entire album/casette/cd.
I'm happy to see these record execs go in the toilet for their greedy excesses of the past. But at the same time you p2p'ers need to realize music is not free and it is not your birthright to download every song at no charge.

[Suicidal]

Oh. I didn't even think this was about music.
I don't even listen to music. NEVER DOWNLOADED MUSIC BEFORE! IM AN OUTCAST!

[Nitro]

so what's the verdict?

[EXEcution]

so what's the verdict?

The world will know in about a month. See link above.

[Wiper]

99 cents for a song that you must have is a BARGAIN.
It used to be if you liked a song you had to fork over $15-$20 for the entire album/casette/cd.
I'm happy to see these record execs go in the toilet for their greedy excesses of the past. But at the same time you p2p'ers need to realize music is not free and it is not your birthright to download every song at no charge.

One of the consequences: Cheap, catchy tunes for direct pick-up will run the show. CD's from good artists/groups have songs which you must listen a few times to realize how great they are. True artists make music cuz it's their life others to make easy money. So let them make a great album instead of going for the easy 99 cents snatch :)

Over 100 years Bob Marley, The Eagles etc. can still be heard on the radio. Not only that but also the rights which radiostations have to pay a classic will make money for ever. I know this doesn't make it right to download illegal songs though I don't think, if you take out the "professional" ones, that it will harm the business :)

[Nitro]

It is immoral for me to pay for music, when I know that the money is not going to the musicians but to money-hungry corporate douchebags like the music labels.

[Nick]

It is immoral for me to pay for music, when I know that the money is not going to the musicians but to money-hungry corporate douchebags like the music labels.

fraking true dat!!

I cannot see how a .25 cent piece of plastic is retailed for 16 bucks and the artist gets less than a dollar....

[Nick]

they lost...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm

[Caged Anger]

yes, bloody shame, but perhaps only a battle in the war, they seem positive that this is only the beginning. Part of me wonders if they aren't too unhappy as Pirate Party in sweden is showing never before seen growth and is the second largest youth affiliate in Sweden...

[EXEcution]

They will appeal and hopefully make a better case this time. The problem is that all of these judges, execs, and politicians are just being educated about this technology. Once they understand that it is impossible to prevent millions of people from sharing bits of information with each other, then the laws will change.

I think the key to solving this problem is cooperation. ISPs need to cooperate with the government along with its users.

[Bingo]

And so it begins... the great piracy war of 2009.

SPARTA!!!

[Nitro]

This verdict makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. This is a sad day for freedom and liberty.

[Death Engineer]

Very surprising result to me.

[EXEcution]

Here you go.

"Whether Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Varg, Peter Sunde and Carl Lundstroem spend 12 months at the pleasure of the Swedish government or succeed in the appeal they are likely to lodge, a revolution in filesharing is underway. Not only did the ruling omit any order to close down piratebay.org but, with servers in Belgium and Russia – the latter considered a haven for all manner of illegal internet activities – the site continues to see traffic rise and seems unlikely to face legal action which will impact its operations any time soon. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/jack-riley-this-trial-has-only-made-torrent-sites-much-stronger-1670409.html

I like how Russia is the haven for all illegal internet activities.

[Caged Anger]

haha, what a backfire, they're more popular and well known than ever

[EXEcution]

YES!!

http://imgur.com/1ankh.png

[Nitro]

Why is it that sharing is caring when you're a child, but when you're an adult sharing is socialism?

[Sirc]

Let's pretend it's 5-8 years ago. I find a copy of a song or a movie that I can download because someone has ripped it from a CD or DVD and compressed it so it's small enough to reasonably download, even though the quality may not be that great. I download it, listen to or watch it, decide that I like it. I'd go out and buy it so I could listen to or watch it in full quality.

Let's pretend it's today. Okay, it is today so you don't have to pretend. Anyway, let's pretend I find a copy of a song or movie that I can download. The file is huge because it hasn't really been compressed much, if at all. No problem, I have an internet connection that allows me to download it in a reasonable amount of time. I download it, listen to or watch it, decide that I like it. Sweet. No need to go buy it now since I have a virtually full quality copy of it.

Is this bad? I mean, so big deal, the artists don't get that dollar from me. They're not going to even notice. Unless a few more people do the same thing. Or 10 million people do the same thing.

Now let's pretend I lend my neighbor my saber saw. He's got it and I don't, because sharing a material thing means that only one person can have possession of it at any given moment. So my neighbor, being the SOB he is, never returns it and I have to go out and buy another one. The SOB also never returned my Barney doll.

I'm just playing devils advocate here. Downloading shared files is stealing, and you can spin it any way you wish, but it's still stealing. Unless it's porn - then it's okay. ;)

[EXEcution]

Let's pretend it's 5-8 years ago. I find a copy of a song or a movie that I can download because someone has ripped it from a CD or DVD and compressed it so it's small enough to reasonably download, even though the quality may not be that great. I download it, listen to or watch it, decide that I like it. I'd go out and buy it so I could listen to or watch it in full quality.

Let's pretend it's today. Okay, it is today so you don't have to pretend. Anyway, let's pretend I find a copy of a song or movie that I can download. The file is huge because it hasn't really been compressed much, if at all. No problem, I have an internet connection that allows me to download it in a reasonable amount of time. I download it, listen to or watch it, decide that I like it. Sweet. No need to go buy it now since I have a virtually full quality copy of it.

Is this bad? I mean, so big deal, the artists don't get that dollar from me. They're not going to even notice. Unless a few more people do the same thing. Or 10 million people do the same thing.

Now let's pretend I lend my neighbor my saber saw. He's got it and I don't, because sharing a material thing means that only one person can have possession of it at any given moment. So my neighbor, being the SOB he is, never returns it and I have to go out and buy another one. The SOB also never returned my Barney doll.

I'm just playing devils advocate here. Downloading shared files is stealing, and you can spin it any way you wish, but it's still stealing. Unless it's porn - then it's okay. ;)

A saw is not a song or a movie. The simple fact is you cannot stop the digital distribution of any type of files. So far no legislation has been able to stop this. Apparently people don't share your ideology.

[Sirc]

A saw is not a song or a movie. The simple fact is you cannot stop the digital distribution of any type of files. So far no legislation has been able to stop this. Apparently people don't share your ideology.


You were the one that posted the cartoon about kids sharing toys. Same as the saw. Different than digital distribution. So by your response I assume you see that your cartoon is not applicable here - which was my point.

No legislation has been able to stop illegal immigration either. That doesn't make it okay to do. Nor does it mean that we should stop trying to stem the flow.

As I said, I was just playing devil's advocate. If you make something easy enough to steal, then people will steal.

Ideology? Are you saying that "people" think stealing is fine? Or are you saying that "people" don't think that file sharing is stealing? I'd really like to hear a good argument for the later, other than "let's screw the record/movie companies".

[EXEcution]

You were the one that posted the cartoon about kids sharing toys. Same as the saw. Different than digital distribution. So by your response I assume you see that your cartoon is not applicable here - which was my point.

No legislation has been able to stop illegal immigration either. That doesn't make it okay to do. Nor does it mean that we should stop trying to stem the flow.

As I said, I was just playing devil's advocate. If you make something easy enough to steal, then people will steal.

Ideology? Are you saying that "people" think stealing is fine? Or are you saying that "people" don't think that file sharing is stealing? I'd really like to hear a good argument for the later, other than "let's screw the record/movie companies".

The cartoon is SATIRE. It's meant to prove a point. The record companies don't own any of the content they charge for. They are simply a middleman that gets cut out when P2P or any other form of file sharing is implemented across a large network.

If you want a decent argument from reliable source then watch this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpXK8mDTiNg

Stop going off topic by mentioning "illegal" immigration. That is a topic for another thread and just as with your saw analogy there is NO CORRELATION to file sharing.

[EXEcution]

It's all about perspective. You perceive it as "stealing" I can make a counter argument by simply spinning the "truth". You cannot win, there will be a stalemate at best.

[Death Engineer]

More interesting stuff on this case...

http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4675

[Sirc]

More interesting stuff on this case...

http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4675


OMG, that's hilarious! :funny: