Amercian Spending

[Jesus Fish]

I mean no offence to any Americans who read this. But while you are in the mist of war that is supposedly for the Iraqi people in order to free them from the torment of Saddam Husayn, you have some problems at home. In 2001 the U.S. government spent 399.1 Billion Usd On Military spending, that is first in the world and an excessive amount more then the second place finisher (Russia at 65 Billion Usd). It's not as if this money could not have been used elsewhere 32.9 Million people in the U.S. Live at or below the poverty line, that is 13% of the total population or approximately 1 in 8, while the Unemployment rate is 5%. This 8% of the U.S. population are most commonly families with jobs struggling to stay afloat. Now how can your population justify that much spending while your socialist systems are in disrepair. And like I said above I mean no disrespect but, a country cannot take care of others before it takes care of its own.

WWJD

[Sirc]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 20 2003, 10:06 PM
I mean no offence to any Americans who read this. But while you are in the mist of war that is supposedly for the Iraqi people in order to free them from the torment of Saddam Husayn, you have some problems at home. In 2001 the U.S. government spent 399.1 Billion Usd On Military spending, that is first in the world and an excessive amount more then the second place finisher (Russia at 65 Billion Usd). It's not as if this money could not have been used elsewhere 32.9 Million people in the U.S. Live at or below the poverty line, that is 13% of the total population or approximately 1 in 8, while the Unemployment rate is 5%. This 8% of the U.S. population are most commonly families with jobs struggling to stay afloat. Now how can your population justify that much spending while your socialist systems are in disrepair. And like I said above I mean no disrespect but, a country cannot take care of others before it takes care of its own.

WWJD
Agreed. I think we should withdraw all foriegn humanitarian and financial aid immediately. Think of the money we would save! :thumbs:

[Gun Element]

Thats exaclty what I believe should be used for our money use.


instead of pointless war and stuff.

[OPTIMOOSE]

Sad but true.. :thumbs:

[Sirc]

Wow, you guys need to take off the rose colored glasses. Historically, and to this day, the world, as well as the USA has relied HEAVILY again and again on the power of the US military. We don't spend that much because we want to, but because we have to. :WTF:

Man, just wait till BIGG gets here and reads this thread. You're gonna be in trouble! :P

[OPTIMOOSE]

The USA wants the be the "SUPERPOWER" and so they spend accordingly - its there decision. :blink:

IMO

[Death-Dude]

I had written a reply, but it got into a long-winded rant on gross monetary improprieties. I'm not for the war, and I think we spend far, far too much on military stuff, like all the stuff we shipped to Iraq 20+ years ago, when they were watching Iran for us, but my thoughts are with those who will die in the conflict; our soldiers, and innocents in Iraq. They want Saddam, I hope they kill him fast so less have to die.
Hey, no offense here, we welcome differing opinions, or should. I love America, but I'm not proud of everything we've done, by any means.

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 10:37 PM
The USA wants the be the "SUPERPOWER" and so they spend accordingly - its there decision. :blink:

IMO
Someone has to do it! And this starting to get me rather angry, so I think I shouldn't post anymore. :angel:

[OPTIMOOSE]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Sirc+Mar 20 2003, 10:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS Sirc @ Mar 20 2003, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 10:37 PM
The USA wants the be the "SUPERPOWER"&nbsp; and so they spend accordingly - its there decision.&nbsp; :blink:

IMO
Someone has to do it&#33; And this starting to get me rather angry, so I think I shouldn&#39;t post anymore. :angel: [/b][/quote]
Ahh dont get angry - if the USA wasnt the superpower - it would be another country. Someone has to do it. And the USA definately does it well and right&#33;

:thumbs:

[Snip3r]

If I posted my comments on this subject I would get banned ;)

[Gun Element]

I dont mind spending a large amount on Military stuff. But not a whole bunch only on that subject. Theirs other stuff thats just as important that needs money funds.

[Elessar]

Well i suppose you would rather us forget about iraq so in another ten years we will have another north korea crisis on our hands

u just dont get it
this is in our best intrest.

[Sirc]

Okay, one last thought before BIGG gets here and causes the thread to be locked. :lol:

Why do you think it is that Canada, Mexico, and most European countries can get away with spending SO LITTLE on their military? Because they have little or no fear of being invaded. Let me think...why would that be? :hmmm:

[V98ci]

Ok, I wasn’t going to say anything as my last post caused quite a stir, but…….

You guys are missing the point entirely. The USA does spend more on defense/offense than any other country. Why? It puts food on American tables&#33; If we stopped spending on defense we would have a much higher unemployment rate. Literally tens of thousands of workers would lose their jobs. This in turn would cause a ripple effect. The restaurants they ate at, the stores they shopped in and anything else that depended on their spending would go out of business also. So you see, the defense industry supports America in more ways than one.

Another thing, the USA sells more defense technology to our allies than all other countries combined. Why? They know it works&#33; They know it will work for a long time to come.

I would get into the foreign aid thing vs. domestic welfare but that is another story.

[Sirc]

Originally posted by V98ci@Mar 20 2003, 11:16 PM
I would get into the foreign aid thing vs. domestic welfare but that is another story.
I was just being sarcastic about that. :angel:

I don&#39;t think the US people have ever felt so unappreciated as we do at this point in time. The "what have you done for me lately" syndrome is in high gear all over the world. :bandhead:

[OUTLAWS Spike]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 20 2003, 10:00 PM


Why do you think it is that Canada, Mexico, and most European countries can get away with spending SO LITTLE on their military? Because they have little or no fear of being invaded. Let me think...why would that be? :hmmm:
I agree with you Sirc, let Al Quaida blow up some buildings in these countries or the city that Jesus Fish and others that have posted their bs in this thread live in and kill thousands of innocent people and I bet their attitude would change. They would come running and crying "we need help and protection" :bawling: :bawling: ,
I know that Saddam Hussein is not Al Quaida but he supports them and is just as much a TERRORIST.
Like Ravenous said this is in our best interest&#33;&#33; And Y&#39;alls&#33;&#33; believe it or not&#33;&#33;

With that being said I bid Off Topic a good bye&#33;&#33; Laterz Lozers

[Sirc]

Jesus Fish went and got all the old farts pissed off. :lol:

[OPTIMOOSE]

:lol: Heck he did say no offense at the begining..

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:29 PM
:lol: Heck he did say no offense at the begining..
LOL. I know. I&#39;m not mad at Jesus Fish. It was just the wrong question at the wrong time. :wave: :drink:

[Jesus Fish]

I didn&#39;t mean that your country didn&#39;t suffer but don&#39;t persecute all for the mistakes of some

[Dark Reign]

I&#39;m not gonna post my opnions anymore on the subject, because you all know where i stand , and I&#39;m sure you don&#39;t want me to go off on a rant again. :P

All I have to say is:
Jesus Fish, Terry Tate, "Office Linebacker" kicks so much ass it would take 124 yardsticks to measure it. Amen&#33; :jammin:

[BOSTON SHOCKER]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 21 2003, 04:32 AM
Take a step back and look at the whole thing as an Iraqi citizen, Why are they attacking YOU? But hey your just one person, how many innocents will die at the hands of Americans, but hey thats war not terrorism.
lol great point jesus

[Sirc]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 20 2003, 11:32 PM
Take a step back and look at the whole thing as an Iraqi citizen, Why are they attacking YOU? But hey your just one person, how many innocents will die at the hands of Americans, but hey thats war not terrorism.
Aha. Now I understand Jesus Fish a little better. Now I am pissed at him. :devil:

Well, JF, I&#39;ll be willing to bet money that we don&#39;t kill NEARLY as many innocent Irag citizens as Saddam and his sons have during his reign of terror in that country. And we&#39;re not gonna rape or torture any of them either.

Go hug a tree.

[OPTIMOOSE]

No matter what we say - innocent people are getting harmed.. God bless those at war, and those who have passed away.

:angel:

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Sirc+Mar 20 2003, 11:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS Sirc @ Mar 20 2003, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jesus Fish@Mar 20 2003, 11:32 PM
Take a step back and look at the whole thing as an Iraqi citizen, Why are they attacking YOU? But hey your just one person, how many innocents will die at the hands of Americans, but hey thats war not terrorism.
Aha. Now I understand Jesus Fish a little better. Now I am pissed at him. :devil:

Well, JF, I&#39;ll be willing to bet money that we don&#39;t kill NEARLY as many innocent Irag citizens as Saddam and his sons have during his reign of terror in that country. And we&#39;re not gonna rape or torture any of them either.

Go hug a tree. [/b][/quote]
Oh, almost forgot. We won&#39;t be maiming and killing any of them with biological or chemical weapons either. :thumbs:

[Jesus Fish]

I&#39;m not trying to offend anyone this is just a good place to voice opinions and thoughts and hear what others have to say.

[FASTway]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 20 2003, 08:00 PM


Why do you think it is that Canada, Mexico, and most European countries can get away with spending SO LITTLE on their military? Because they have little or no fear of being invaded. Let me think...why would that be? :hmmm:
Hey stop picking on us :P

[Sirc]

Originally posted by FASTway+Mar 20 2003, 11:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FASTway @ Mar 20 2003, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 20 2003, 08:00 PM


Why do you think it is that Canada, Mexico, and most European countries can get away with spending SO LITTLE on their military?&nbsp; Because they have little or no fear of being invaded.&nbsp; Let me think...why would that be?&nbsp; :hmmm:
Hey stop picking on us :P [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m not picking on you&#33; Besides, Canada has some serious babes. :wootrock: :P

[OPTIMOOSE]

BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
:w00t:

I think most Americans feel a very strong brotherhood with Canada. You guys are good people. :thumbs:

[OPTIMOOSE]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Sirc+Mar 20 2003, 11:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS Sirc @ Mar 20 2003, 11:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
:w00t:

I think most Americans feel a very strong brotherhood with Canada. You guys are good people. :thumbs: [/b][/quote]
Some hate us because of that though.. I used to get in numerous fights , living in a border town that is.
Call us dumb Canadians.. make fun of us.. We just beat them all up.. then they shut up LOL


:cool: :lol:

[V98ci]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 21 2003, 04:32 AM
Take a step back and look at the whole thing as an Iraqi citizen, Why are they attacking YOU? But hey your just one person, how many innocents will die at the hands of Americans, but hey thats war not terrorism.
Your right, that&#39;s war not terrorism&#33; We gave the Iraqi leaders plenty of time to do the right thing. Bush also gave the Iraqi people plenty of time to overthrow Saddam. Do you think Saddam would warn us or Isreal 48 hours in advance of a nuclear or biological strike? Did Al Queda give anyone warning that they were going to use civilian airliners as missiles?

Let me ask you a question. What would you want done if Saddam was the leader of your country? Would you want some help or would you be happy living with that kind of ruler?

[OUTLAWS high ping camper]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 08:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
And don&#39;t forget about Canibus Cafe&#33; :thumbs:
Uhmmm.....not that I promote the use of illegal drugs.

[OPTIMOOSE]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS high ping camper+Mar 20 2003, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS high ping camper @ Mar 20 2003, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 08:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
And don&#39;t forget about Canibus Cafe&#33; :thumbs:
Uhmmm.....not that I promote the use of illegal drugs. [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol:

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS OPTIMUS+Mar 20 2003, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS OPTIMUS @ Mar 20 2003, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 20 2003, 11:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
:w00t:

I think most Americans feel a very strong brotherhood with Canada. You guys are good people. :thumbs:
Some hate us because of that though.. I used to get in numerous fights , living in a border town that is.
Call us dumb Canadians.. make fun of us.. We just beat them all up.. then they shut up LOL


:cool: :lol: [/b][/quote]
:lol:

You&#39;re lucky Canada and Texas doesn&#39;t share a border. :P :rofl:

[OPTIMOOSE]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS Sirc+Mar 21 2003, 12:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS Sirc @ Mar 21 2003, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by -OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 20 2003, 11:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
:w00t:

I think most Americans feel a very strong brotherhood with Canada. You guys are good people. :thumbs:
Some hate us because of that though.. I used to get in numerous fights , living in a border town that is.
Call us dumb Canadians.. make fun of us.. We just beat them all up.. then they shut up LOL


:cool: :lol:
:lol:

You&#39;re lucky Canada and Texas doesn&#39;t share a border. :P :rofl: [/b][/quote]
Bring it on Texan..

:lol: :lol:

[Gun Element]

I have to say I never hada grudge against Canada for one milisec. Canada is one of the places I wish to go visit before I die.



Its such a awesome place. :thumbs:


anyway back to argueing.

BLA RA. bladda waaa da la. Yiouttabeatudownlittlepeskybrates&#33; ra ra ra

[OPTIMOOSE]

Originally posted by Gun Element@Mar 21 2003, 12:01 AM
I have to say I never hada grudge against Canada for one milisec. Canada is one of the places I wish to go visit before I die.



Its such a awesome place. :thumbs:


anyway back to argueing.

BLA RA. bladda waaa da la. Yiouttabeatudownlittlepeskybrates&#33; ra ra ra
Hahaha

:lol:

[OPTIMOOSE]

Sorry we didnt go in on the war thing with you guys.. (USA) but like our army would be any help :lol:

All we know how to do is keep peace.. Our equipment is Sheet&#33; Good soldiers with bad equipment..

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS OPTIMUS+Mar 21 2003, 12:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OUTLAWS OPTIMUS @ Mar 21 2003, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 21 2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by -OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by -OUTLAWS Sirc@Mar 20 2003, 11:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--OUTLAWS OPTIMUS@Mar 20 2003, 11:53 PM
BABE-A-LICIOUS

And besides how could you ever be mad at a country which lets women walk around topless? Legally&#33;&#33;&#33;

I love Canada&#33;

MMMmmm
:w00t:

I think most Americans feel a very strong brotherhood with Canada. You guys are good people. :thumbs:
Some hate us because of that though.. I used to get in numerous fights , living in a border town that is.
Call us dumb Canadians.. make fun of us.. We just beat them all up.. then they shut up LOL


:cool: :lol:
:lol:

You&#39;re lucky Canada and Texas doesn&#39;t share a border. :P :rofl:
Bring it on Texan..

:lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
LOL. I&#39;m not a Texan. I live in Ohio. :oooo:


Three cowboys are sitting around a campfire, out on a lonesome Texas prarie, each with the bravado for which cowboys are famous. A night of tall tales begins.

The first one says, "I must be the meanest, toughest cowboy there is. Why, just the other day a bull got loose in the corral and gored six men before I wrestled it to the ground by the horns with my bare hands."

The second cowboy can&#39;t stand to be bested. "Why that&#39;s nothing. I was walking down the trail yesterday and a fifteen-foot rattlesnake slid out from under a rock and made a move for me. I grabbed that snake with my bare hands, bit its head off and sucked the poison down in one gulp. And I&#39;m still here today."

The third cowboy remained silent, silently stirring the coals with his hands.

[OPTIMOOSE]

Haha, Ok enough for me, its past my bed time..


Be nice in here LOL

:cool:

OP

[Jesus Fish]

I just watched a show on Pbs (darn pledge brakes) About Saddam lol A lot of stuff I didn&#39;t know both sides were represened very well worth a watch its on the website as well.

[OUTLAWS high ping camper]

Have a nice night all..........I&#39;m gonna go find a map.

[Sirc]

Originally posted by OUTLAWS high ping camper@Mar 21 2003, 12:17 AM
Have a nice night all..........I&#39;m gonna go find a map.
Me too&#33; :wootrock:

And by the way, for all of you that have been around the forums long enough to know how, um, "intense" I can get - the nastiest thing I said in this thread was, "Go hug a tree". LOL. Aren&#39;t you proud of me? :rofl: :drink:

[Dan2]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 20 2003, 10:06 PM
a country cannot take care of others before it takes care of its own.

WWJD
OK, I couldn&#39;t let this one go.
We are taking care of the problem now with soldiers in battle, instead of, later at home with firemen,doctors, EMT&#39;s and policemen.

[Slice]

I didn&#39;t even read more then 5 replies to this thread before my responce. Money=sh*t, whocares about the cost&#33; This is about saving the world in the future. Wake up people&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Sirc]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 20 2003, 11:36 PM
I didn&#39;t mean that your country didn&#39;t suffer but don&#39;t persecute all for the mistakes of some
LOL. It doesn&#39;t do any good to go back and change the contents of a post when someone has already quoted you. We know what you really said&#33; :P :rofl:

[Sauron]

Originally posted by Slice@Mar 21 2003, 06:47 AM
Money=sh*t, whocares about the cost&#33; This is about saving the world in the future. Wake up people&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
all that are easily offended please skip this post&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


Ok maybe u save the world from terrorism or whatever and i think that is fine and not wrong at all and i think someone has to do it&#33;&#33; But why in the hell doesn&#39;t america care about nature so if u wanna save the planet then america should maybe reconsider his politics about saving the nature cause what is a planet worth with maybe no terrorism and all in love and happiness if there&#39;s no place left omn earth where u can go without a gasmask and/or many places where u can&#39;t go or can&#39;t build anything cause every 3 or 4 months there is a major nature catastrophy&#33; When it comes to environmental protection american politicians act like america is placed not on this planet&#33;

oh and to Sircs comment about the money spend on millitary equipment&#33; Well if germany would spend as much as america does it would be the next target of america&#33; Just my thoughts &#33;

[GreatWhite]

I&#39;m ok cos I live in the U.K&#33;&#33;

[V98ci]

Originally posted by Sauron@Mar 21 2003, 05:31 PM


oh and to Sircs comment about the money spend on millitary equipment&#33; Well if germany would spend as much as america does it would be the next target of america&#33; Just my thoughts &#33;
Oh how quickly you forget&#33; There might not even be a Germany if it wasn&#39;t for the USA and it&#39;s allies (Britain). In 1945 the only thing that stopped Russia from taking all of Germany was us. As it was they took East Germany and held it until the fall of the Soviet Union. I&#39;m sure you remember that. Germany is now unified mainly because of us. For years the USSR tried to match the strength of NATO and it finally broke them. We could not openly confront the USSR for fear of a Global war that would kill millions do we wore them down over time.

As for targeting Germany or any other country that poses a threat, I&#39;m all for it. We have tried the "bury head in sand" route. Look where that got us&#33;

As for the rest of your post. I believe all countries could do a better job on environmental issues. I think most are trying.

[Sauron]

Originally posted by V98ci+Mar 21 2003, 07:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (V98ci @ Mar 21 2003, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Sauron@Mar 21 2003, 05:31 PM


oh and to Sircs comment about the money spend on millitary equipment&#33; Well if germany would spend as much as america does it would be the next target of america&#33; Just my thoughts &#33;
Oh how quickly you forget&#33; There might not even be a Germany if it wasn&#39;t for the USA and it&#39;s allies (Britain). In 1945 the only thing that stopped Russia from taking all of Germany was us. As it was they took East Germany and held it until the fall of the Soviet Union. I&#39;m sure you remember that. Germany is now unified mainly because of us. For years the USSR tried to match the strength of NATO and it finally broke them. We could not openly confront the USSR for fear of a Global war that would kill millions do we wore them down over time.

As for targeting Germany or any other country that poses a threat, I&#39;m all for it. We have tried the "bury head in sand" route. Look where that got us&#33;

As for the rest of your post. I believe all countries could do a better job on environmental issues. I think most are trying. [/b][/quote]
ummh huh? What the hell are u talking about? I haven&#39;t forgot anything&#33; We are still thankful that u did that&#33; I have just stated that if germany NOW (PRESENT, TODAY, NOT in the past ) would spend as much money as the US it would be the next target of the US mainly because of the fact that we had a Dictator in our history which was maybe worse than anyone else&#33; I just think that cause of the fact that we had such an dictator before in our history we are not allowed to build up a military strength that can change anything on earth&#33;

Oh and i agree that most countrys try, but US ignoring Kyoto protocol on CO2 emissions and stuff is how america tries&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[MR. SLiK]

Ok whos a redneck or jewish here

[V98ci]

Originally posted by Sauron@Mar 21 2003, 06:15 PM
ummh huh? What the hell are u talking about? I haven&#39;t forgot anything&#33; We are still thankful that u did that&#33;
If I took your post out of context, I apologize&#33; I get a little touchy about that subject. My father was a GI in 1945. He fought in France, Germany and the Philippines(sp?). Germany has been and will continue to be one of the USA&#39;s most important allies. I don&#39;t think we would target any country because of a leader from their past.

Above all else we believe in a person’s right to choose. From our Civil war to Iraq and everything in between we have always fought for the right to choose. Do we want other countries to think the way we do? Of course. But we have never taken another country away from its people. We liberators, not occupiers. Some accuse us of wanting Iraqi oil. Maybe that&#39;s true, but we will pay them for it. We won&#39;t just move in and say "OK, the oil is ours now."

[V98ci]

Originally posted by MR. SLiK@Mar 21 2003, 06:27 PM
Ok whos a redneck or jewish here
I resemble that remark&#33; :thumbs:

Count me in a Redneck Cowboy :jammin: :drink:

[Slice]

Funny how many countries are supporting the US side, now that we are kicking their military&#39;s ass.

[FASTway]

Originally posted by Sauron@Mar 21 2003, 10:15 AM


Oh and i agree that most countrys try, but US ignoring Kyoto protocol on CO2 emissions and stuff is how america tries&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


Why would US support Kyoto?
It was designed to punish their economy the hardest.

[Mr Clean]

Originally posted by Jesus Fish@Mar 20 2003, 09:06 PM
I mean no offence to any Americans who read this. But while you are in the mist of war that is supposedly for the Iraqi people in order to free them from the torment of Saddam Husayn, you have some problems at home. In 2001 the U.S. government spent 399.1 Billion Usd On Military spending, that is first in the world and an excessive amount more then the second place finisher (Russia at 65 Billion Usd). It&#39;s not as if this money could not have been used elsewhere 32.9 Million people in the U.S. Live at or below the poverty line, that is 13% of the total population or approximately 1 in 8, while the Unemployment rate is 5%. This 8% of the U.S. population are most commonly families with jobs struggling to stay afloat. Now how can your population justify that much spending while your socialist systems are in disrepair. And like I said above I mean no disrespect but, a country cannot take care of others before it takes care of its own.

WWJD
Your a numbers kind of guy? So am I. Let&#39;s talk numbers. For starters, the United States spending on military is 1.5% of the Gross National Product (GNP) of the country. In 2001, Germany was at 1.5% of their GNP, France 2.5% of their GNP, and China 3.5% of their GNP.

What does this mean? America&#39;s GNP in 2000 was more than the next four countries COMBINED (for the record that is Japan, Germany, U.K., and France). So just because we spent a certain dollar amount doesn&#39;t mean anything. Apparently France is much more of a warmongering country than us because they spend 2.5% of their GNP on the military&#33;

The United States patented more new medical drugs last year than THE REST OF THE WORLD combined. We patended more new technologies last year than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. You like your radio? TV? Internet? computer? phone? Brought to you by the creative minds of Americans.

As for your poverty statement, when is the last time you heard of an American starving to death? We have all kinds of government programs to help those in need. If you lived here you&#39;d know all about them. And you can&#39;t take 13% at or below the poverty line, subtract 5% unemployment, and deduce that 8% are families who can&#39;t make ends meet. That is ridiculous.

You like numbers, I like numbers. But next time I suggest interpreting the numbers correctly so an accurate conclusion is reached.

[Mr Clean]

Originally posted by Sauron+Mar 21 2003, 11:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sauron @ Mar 21 2003, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Slice@Mar 21 2003, 06:47 AM
Money=sh*t,&nbsp; whocares about the cost&#33;&nbsp; This is about saving the world in the future.&nbsp; Wake up people&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
all that are easily offended please skip this post&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


Ok maybe u save the world from terrorism or whatever and i think that is fine and not wrong at all and i think someone has to do it&#33;&#33; But why in the hell doesn&#39;t america care about nature so if u wanna save the planet then america should maybe reconsider his politics about saving the nature cause what is a planet worth with maybe no terrorism and all in love and happiness if there&#39;s no place left omn earth where u can go without a gasmask and/or many places where u can&#39;t go or can&#39;t build anything cause every 3 or 4 months there is a major nature catastrophy&#33; When it comes to environmental protection american politicians act like america is placed not on this planet&#33;

oh and to Sircs comment about the money spend on millitary equipment&#33; Well if germany would spend as much as america does it would be the next target of america&#33; Just my thoughts &#33; [/b][/quote]
Sauron, you know I think the world of you, so no offense as I tear into these comments of yours.

Germany already spends as much as we do on their military, as a percentage of their GNP. And you guys hardly even fight anywhere. How many countries does Germany have troops stationed in? Excep for the peace troops in the former Yugoslavia I can&#39;t think of anywhere. If you want to go off on military spending tell me why in the hell Germany needs to spend 1.5% of their GNP on the military...

Since you typed it I can only assume you meant it. If your really afraid of the U.S. EVER doing anything to Germany you don&#39;t know America at all.

I&#39;m not sure what your natural catasphrope comment is all about, but if your trying to suggest there are more of them now because of greenhouse gases than I have to tell you that is absolutely silly. The reason there seems to be more disasters is because there are more people than ever living on this planet, so there is a better chance than ever of people being there when a natural disaster hits. More and more people live in areas where hurricanes, earthquakes, and wheather extremes happen all the tme. That is just percentages, not some dramatic rise in disasters.

Someone mentioned Kyoto already so I&#39;ll leave that alone, but as an engineer who gets to do all kinds of water studies all the time I can tell you the rivers in Germany are filthy compared to our waterways....

[Saretta]

Originally posted by Mr Clean@Mar 23 2003, 12:35 PM
How many countries does Germany have troops stationed in? Excep for the peace troops in the former Yugoslavia I can&#39;t think of anywhere.

Afganisthan, Turkey, Kuwait, only to mention some.

[Sauron]

Originally posted by Mr Clean@Mar 23 2003, 12:35 PM
If you want to go off on military spending tell me why in the hell Germany needs to spend 1.5% of their GNP on the military...

Well maybe cause unfortunately the german GNP is so small that they have to pay 1.5% of the GNP to pay all the soldiers and keep the vehicles and planes and stufff running&#33;

[Pure_Evil]

Originally posted by Sauron+Mar 23 2003, 08:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sauron @ Mar 23 2003, 08:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mr Clean@Mar 23 2003, 12:35 PM
If you want to go off on military spending tell me why in the hell Germany needs to spend 1.5% of their GNP on the military...

Well maybe cause unfortunately the german GNP is so small that they have to pay 1.5% of the GNP to pay all the soldiers and keep the vehicles and planes and stufff running&#33; [/b][/quote]
I know we&#39;ve spoken on how bad un-employment is hitting Germany. I guess your government isn&#39;t going to use war as a way to spark your economy.

[Saretta]

Originally posted by Mr Clean@Mar 23 2003, 12:35 PM
I&#39;m not sure what your natural catasphrope comment is all about, but if your trying to suggest there are more of them now because of greenhouse gases than I have to tell you that is absolutely silly.&nbsp; The reason there seems to be more disasters is because there are more people than ever living on this planet, so there is a better chance than ever of people being there when a natural disaster hits.&nbsp; More and more people live in areas where hurricanes, earthquakes, and wheather extremes happen all the tme.&nbsp; That is just percentages, not some dramatic rise in disasters.



There are more people on this planet and more people producing waste. There are more factories on this planet with emissions (CO2, NOx).
If u produce more greenhouse gases the planet gets hotter and that is a reason of climatical changes. If that happens the natural disasters will increase in places where non were before. The polar ice will melt and the ocean surface will go up. That would mean that some islands will disappear in the ocean. The deserts will grow, the gulf stream will change it&#39;s way and it will get much colder in Europe.
If we don&#39;t do anything against this mankind will die out in not so far future. We ruin the biosphere of earth and if this is ruined we have no other place to go to and we will die out.
It is not that difficult to reduce the emissions of the factories...
I agree that more people live in places where hurricans etc can hit. But if the Sahara gets bigger and bigger that&#39;s not because more people live in the Sahara suddenly. The people who lives around the Sahara now in some parts live IN the Sahara because this desert is growing.
Another point is that the people destroy the rain forrest. This forrest is neccesary for us because it produces O2 for us. If this forrest is gone it would be very bad.
I agree that our german rivers are very dirty but we try to get them clean again. And it already works. Some years ago there were very few fish in the Rhein but now u can find more and more fish in it again.
The factories here have to built in filters so that the emissions aren&#39;t that bad anymore.

This planet is our only home and I think it&#39;s not silly or bad to try to protect it. If we destroy our nature we won&#39;t be able to live on. We would be the first living form which destroys itself. I don&#39;t want that this happens.

Everyone should do something to protect our nature and if it&#39;s only a small thing.

[Mr Clean]

Originally posted by Sauron+Mar 23 2003, 07:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sauron @ Mar 23 2003, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mr Clean@Mar 23 2003, 12:35 PM
If you want to go off on military spending tell me why in the hell Germany needs to spend 1.5% of their GNP on the military...

Well maybe cause unfortunately the german GNP is so small that they have to pay 1.5% of the GNP to pay all the soldiers and keep the vehicles and planes and stufff running&#33; [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s hardly small, it&#39;s in the top three or four in the world...

Bain I agree the planet is everyone&#39;s problem, like it or not...